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« Reply #1320 on: Thursday, October 26, 2023, 20:05:17 »

Totally embarrassing 😳
Will only get worse with games against India and Australia coming up.
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« Reply #1321 on: Friday, October 27, 2023, 08:51:55 »

Totally embarrassing 😳
Will only get worse with games against India and Australia coming up.

What's so sad about this is that none of the taking heads seem to be allowed to say why.

Bin the 100.
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« Reply #1322 on: Friday, October 27, 2023, 08:56:30 »

What's so sad about this is that none of the taking heads seem to be allowed to say why.

Bin the 100.

It is a bit more complex than that though, it's not like any of the established England players ever turned out in the 50 over domestic stuff back before the Hundred took over. It's definitely a problem for the next generation, but this isn't the next generation, this is the guys who have played hundreds of List A games and they're still shitting the bed.
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« Reply #1323 on: Friday, October 27, 2023, 09:04:03 »

It is a bit more complex than that though, it's not like any of the established England players ever turned out in the 50 over domestic stuff back before the Hundred took over. It's definitely a problem for the next generation, but this isn't the next generation, this is the guys who have played hundreds of List A games and they're still shitting the bed.

But the 50 over comp was reserves as the better players were signed up to the 100. So they've had little play this year.  The fact that the 100 also screws up the test and county championship season is another reason to bin it.  Oh, and you're asking the good people of Leicestershire and Derbyshire to support a team in Nottingham (for example)... Good luck with that.

Hardly any 50 over play and Root was calling for less T20! Yeah, that's the reason.  Did we have the T20 when we won the 50 over World Cup? So what's changed since then?

The answer is obvious.
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« Reply #1324 on: Friday, October 27, 2023, 12:24:16 »

The Hundred is rank for English cricket. If they want more kids watching just put more England matches on the proper telly, but that won't make the old men at the top any money, the opposite in fact, so it won't happen. Greed is at fault, as with many things.
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« Reply #1325 on: Friday, October 27, 2023, 13:15:11 »

But the 50 over comp was reserves as the better players were signed up to the 100. So they've had little play this year.  The fact that the 100 also screws up the test and county championship season is another reason to bin it.  Oh, and you're asking the good people of Leicestershire and Derbyshire to support a team in Nottingham (for example)... Good luck with that.

Hardly any 50 over play and Root was calling for less T20! Yeah, that's the reason.  Did we have the T20 when we won the 50 over World Cup? So what's changed since then?

The answer is obvious.

These are general arguments against the Hundred that I agree with, I just don't think *this* World Cup is the Hundred's fault - all of these players are over 30 and have played a ton of 50 over cricket. I think the Hundred gives us far less chance of developing future excellent 50 over players as they'll all be playing 20 overs or less almost exclusively, but I don't think it's an excuse for this group of players. They've just underachieved mightily.

If the domestic 50 over stuff didn't clash with the 100, the established players would have still skipped it as they'd need to rest after the IPL/International matches, or they'd have found a more lucrative tournament to play in in Ulanbaatar.

As Nasser said the other day, Virat Kohli and Heinrich Klassen don't play domestic 50 over cricket either and they seem to be doing just fine.
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« Reply #1326 on: Sunday, October 29, 2023, 08:33:26 »

Unchanged against India, choosing to field first.

That's very brave of you, Prime Minister.
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« Reply #1327 on: Sunday, October 29, 2023, 09:06:34 »

Isn't the issue more to do with the fact that we don't seem to have any control in the bowling department (ie Inability to take wickets to stem run rate) and then take too many risks batting?
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« Reply #1328 on: Sunday, October 29, 2023, 11:28:10 »

Making a fist of it v undefeated India today. India 167-5.
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« Reply #1329 on: Sunday, October 29, 2023, 14:24:47 »

Bowled alright on a tough pitch, now batting... well, they're batting. That's all I'm willing to say about that.
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« Reply #1330 on: Sunday, October 29, 2023, 15:51:29 »

Just switched it on to watch an exciting finish. Saw Wiley hit a 6 and Wood clean bowled!

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« Reply #1331 on: Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 16:59:08 »

It has to be said, an unbelievable innings from Maxwell today. I feel really sorry for Afghanistan, especially the player who dropped the easiest of catches early in Maxwell's innings.
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« Reply #1332 on: Thursday, November 16, 2023, 09:15:46 »

Bit of a masterclass in bowling and fielding here from OZ.

Run rate of 1.76 in the 10th over in a world cup semi final!
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« Reply #1333 on: Thursday, November 16, 2023, 09:16:57 »

Bit of a masterclass in bowling and fielding here from OZ.

Run rate of 1.76 in the 10th over in a world cup semi final!


You just know they’re going to win the tournament.
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« Reply #1334 on: Thursday, November 16, 2023, 09:22:10 »

You just know they’re going to win the tournament.

Would be a bit funny if India dominated the entire tournament as clearly the best team *and* the organisers being on side, and then Aussie beat them in the final.

Don't think it'll happen though, India are just really, really good.
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