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Northern Red

« Reply #45 on: Tuesday, November 29, 2005, 13:18:34 »

Wootton Bassett is the answer - demolish it and build a mega-stadium in its place!
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« Reply #46 on: Tuesday, November 29, 2005, 13:18:34 »

if we ended up over chippenham way i could see it being the end of stfc and the beginning of a wilts.county team.
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Piemonte

« Reply #47 on: Tuesday, November 29, 2005, 13:19:53 »

In my view even Chippenham is too far.
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« Reply #48 on: Tuesday, November 29, 2005, 13:21:20 »

Just outside Wroughton on the Avebury road.  Old RAF site, or farm land opposite.  Just inside the Swindon Borough limits.  It'd be bloody cold up on the hill during winter but a great view of the town during night matches.
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fatbury

« Reply #49 on: Tuesday, November 29, 2005, 13:22:19 »

Id be happy to call our team Bath/Swindon if it meant the club continued instead of folding .. we have to be realistic
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« Reply #50 on: Tuesday, November 29, 2005, 13:23:02 »

WTF?Huh??
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« Reply #51 on: Tuesday, November 29, 2005, 13:23:43 »

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Correct me if I am wrong people, but the answer must be somewhere near Chippenham!

Dunno about you, but I currently support a team called Swindon Town, not "Greater Wiltshire Franchise" FC. No thanks. There is still scope to do a decent redevelopment of the CG - just the plans need to be properly thought out, and some lessons learnt from the Shaw Tip fiasco and this latest escapade.
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« Reply #52 on: Tuesday, November 29, 2005, 13:26:12 »

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Just outside Wroughton on the Avebury road.  Old RAF site, or farm land opposite.  Just inside the Swindon Borough limits.  It'd be bloody cold up on the hill during winter but a great view of the town during night matches.


I was thinking the same. But how many Nimbys would say it was a blotch on the landscape?! I personally think that the m4 junc 16 is the best.
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« Reply #53 on: Tuesday, November 29, 2005, 13:27:23 »

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Correct me if I am wrong people, but the answer must be somewhere near Chippenham!

Dunno about you, but I currently support a team called Swindon Town, not "Greater Wiltshire Franchise" FC. No thanks. There is still scope to do a decent redevelopment of the CG - just the plans need to be properly thought out, and some lessons learnt from the Shaw Tip fiasco and this latest escapade.


Not saying that I'd like to go there, was suggesting it was a potential place they might be looking at.

I Like Piemonte's idea, and have added some meat on the Trust and thisis sites.  If the club are not the owner of the ground then the argument about giving them land doesn't wash - the Council can be the developer.
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« Reply #54 on: Tuesday, November 29, 2005, 13:27:54 »

I was raised in Calne and started watching SWINDON Town.  I support SWINDON.  End of.  A transition into a "Wiltshire County" club would destroy the heart of the club.
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Piemonte

« Reply #55 on: Tuesday, November 29, 2005, 13:35:41 »

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Correct me if I am wrong people, but the answer must be somewhere near Chippenham!

Dunno about you, but I currently support a team called Swindon Town, not "Greater Wiltshire Franchise" FC. No thanks. There is still scope to do a decent redevelopment of the CG - just the plans need to be properly thought out, and some lessons learnt from the Shaw Tip fiasco and this latest escapade.


Not saying that I'd like to go there, was suggesting it was a potential place they might be looking at.

I Like Piemonte's idea, and have added some meat on the Trust and thisis sites.  If the club are not the owner of the ground then the argument about giving them land doesn't wash - the Council can be the developer.


Cheers RobertT, I've always known I'm that a genuis Wink

any linkage to your expanded ideas?
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« Reply #56 on: Tuesday, November 29, 2005, 14:18:38 »

*puts fingers in his ears*

lalala, i'm not listening!
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« Reply #57 on: Tuesday, November 29, 2005, 15:29:01 »

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Does anyone know and if so can explain how other "community" stadiums have been funded? and what the local council's role was?


Hull’s KC stadium is the best example of a community stadium development.  

I’m pretty familiar with it as I actually worked for Kingston Communications up in Hull (stadium sponsors) at the time it reached completion.

Hull City council invested approx £42 million and could do so as they not only retained full ownership of the site but integrated a large amount of community facilities for the residents of Hull within the project.  This allowed the cost to be entirely justified as it was not going to benefit solely the football club, a private limited company.

The land the KC is built upon is pretty low grade/low value but by the same rights the CG site is governed by the sporting covenant, which dictates what it can/can’t be used for.

As far as I can see the proposed development is pretty similar except that private housing on the site is used to essentially fund the building of the stadium.  Similar to the KC I’d then expect the stadium to be run by a management company but ownership is still essentially retained by the council.  

At the end of the day we then have all the advantages of a shiny new stadium that should have fewer overheads to operate and additional facilities providing income through different sources.

It's pretty much the only way we can go without a serious amount of cash or ownership of a site to trade off.

Bit unrelated but I’ve read mention that the site includes first time buyers properties, can anyone confirm?  If this is the case then it seriously strengthens our hand when it comes to justifying the project.  There’s a specific housing initiative that I can’t name off the top of my head specific to Swindon plus the Government’s first time buyers scheme.  Having seen similar developments in other areas take advantage of using first time buyers to get a site the green light it is encouraging.  Plus again to a degree it justifies the building of commercial property on council land as it’s in the ‘communities’ interest.

Not seen the article or plans so wouldn’t want to comment but the infrastructure certainly sounds like it’s in place.
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« Reply #58 on: Tuesday, November 29, 2005, 15:34:44 »

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Id be happy to call our team Bath/Swindon if it meant the club continued instead of folding .. we have to be realistic
No fucking chance! :evil:
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« Reply #59 on: Tuesday, November 29, 2005, 15:52:34 »

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Bit unrelated but I’ve read mention that the site includes first time buyers properties, can anyone confirm?  If this is the case then it seriously strengthens our hand when it comes to justifying the project.  There’s a specific housing initiative that I can’t name off the top of my head specific to Swindon plus the Government’s first time buyers scheme.  Having seen similar developments in other areas take advantage of using first time buyers to get a site the green light it is encouraging.  Plus again to a degree it justifies the building of commercial property on council land as it’s in the ‘communities’ interest.


This is all there is at the mo, Dazzza - without seeing the original brochure:

"THE proposal includes redeveloping the football stadium, the cricket ground and the athletic track alongside the construction of a substantial number of starter homes at no cost to the council.

The new housing will comprise a combination of one and two bedroom apartments and two and three bedroom townhouses aimed at the first time buyer market."
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