Differences...

[DV]

There is no arguement that the players are performing at the same (poor) standard as wehen King was manager this season.   Iffy has done well, the team seem better organised and more committed.  Are you saying that this isn't the case?

No, I'm just saying that it is far too early to talk about any improvement.

but we already have improved?

[Ben Wah Balls]

How many goals has each got then? This year?

How about in their career, Vassell has 39, Crouch has 50. Remember also Crouch creates a lot more.

How many of Crouch's goals were in the old 2nd division/1st division/championship??

You can only score at the level you're at and Crouch has shown he can score in the premiership with no problems, he's also a year younger than Vassell and has played less games. I think the comparison is perfectly fair.

[DV]

How many goals has each got then? This year?

How about in their career, Vassell has 39, Crouch has 50. Remember also Crouch creates a lot more.

How many of Crouch's goals were in the old 2nd division/1st division/championship??

You can only score at the level you're at and Crouch has shown he can score in the premiership with no problems, he's also a year younger than Vassell and has played less games. I think the comparison is perfectly fair.

Im not debating whether or not its a far comparison. I was just curiois to how of Peter Crouch's goals were in the 1st division....at a guess id say about 18 of them.

[Ben Wah Balls]

There is no arguement that the players are performing at the same (poor) standard as wehen King was manager this season.   Iffy has done well, the team seem better organised and more committed.  Are you saying that this isn't the case?

No, I'm just saying that it is far too early to talk about any improvement.

but we already have improved?

Not in terms of points no.

All you say is like Jan that there are good signs, particularly in the last game. We have to hope that type of performance actually continues and is converted into points.

[Ben Wah Balls]

How many goals has each got then? This year?

How about in their career, Vassell has 39, Crouch has 50. Remember also Crouch creates a lot more.

How many of Crouch's goals were in the old 2nd division/1st division/championship??

You can only score at the level you're at and Crouch has shown he can score in the premiership with no problems, he's also a year younger than Vassell and has played less games. I think the comparison is perfectly fair.

Im not debating whether or not its a far comparison. I was just curiois to how of Peter Crouch's goals were in the 1st division....at a guess id say about 18 of them.

About half I think. Anyway Vassell is an ok player but not good enough for England unless he improves a lot I think.

Crouch just needs to get back to last years form, which he was doing at the start of the year until his confidence was damaged by a few idiots.

[walrus]

How many goals has each got then? This year?

How about in their career, Vassell has 39, Crouch has 50. Remember also Crouch creates a lot more.

How many of Crouch's goals were in the old 2nd division/1st division/championship??

You can only score at the level you're at and Crouch has shown he can score in the premiership with no problems, he's also a year younger than Vassell and has played less games. I think the comparison is perfectly fair.

Im not debating whether or not its a far comparison. I was just curiois to how of Peter Crouch's goals were in the 1st division....at a guess id say about 18 of them.

About half I think. Anyway Vassell is an ok player but not good enough for England unless he improves a lot I think.

Crouch just needs to get back to last years form, which he was doing at the start of the year until his confidence was damaged by a few idiots.

I'd say the same of Emile Heskey.....

I'm sorry but the mood on the forum since King has left has improved tenfold.  If nothing else is coming out of Iffy's appointment, then the mood has vastly improved, and people have changed their opinion from imminent relegation to more positive thoughts.

[Dazzza]

Things are improving under Iffy, and I'm not sure if it is the honeymoon period or not. To be fair, if it was the honeymoon period, it would have been from the moment Iffy took over. However, we had some terrible results when Iffy took over, so my theory is Iffy is turning a corner. If we carry on performing as we did against Hudds, I have absolutely no doubt we will stay up

I really meant honeymoon period in terms of relationship with the fans rather than results.

Had it been results then it would have been like tying the knot with Anderson and waking up with that fat ginger with a Dracula’s tea bag stuck to your knob.

It does feel like we are slowly turning a corner but it does feel like there is a way to go.  The side is lacking something but were getting closer to seeing at least some of the side play to the potential they are capable of.

You can’t ask for much more than effort and hard work.

[Ben Wah Balls]

There is no arguement that the players are performing at the same (poor) standard as wehen King was manager this season.   Iffy has done well, the team seem better organised and more committed.  Are you saying that this isn't the case?

No, I'm just saying that it is far too early to talk about any improvement.

but we already have improved?

It's interesting when you read posts like this though from Sonic Youth, after Scunthorpe which was our last home game.

70 minutes of total and utter shite, we were absolutely diabolical and looked shambolic until the goal and the players finally realised they were playing a game of football.

today was the first time this season when i watched a game and thought to myself that we're going down. there was no cohesion, no communication, we couldn't hold onto the ball and when we did have the ball we gave it away cheaply.

there was no width, no strength in the midfield and fallon had no support. if you're going to play 4-5-1 then the two wide men (roberts and bouazza) need to get wide and support fallon, not drift into the centre

Not much evidence of an improvement in performance, quite the opposite, so the improvement has only been in a run of one games, which may yet prove to be just us raising our game against a good side, as happens all the time.
(Hull last year, beating Wigan when they won the league, Forest this year etc. etc.)

If we can put in several consecutive good performances and actually get some points, then we can start to talk about progress.

[sonicyouth]

If we can put in several consecutive good performances and actually get some points, then we can start to talk about progress.

Brentford, Scunthorpe, Huddersfield - all draws, resulting in a total of three points.

It's a start.

[Ben Wah Balls]

If we can put in several consecutive good performances and actually get some points, then we can start to talk about progress.

Brentford, Scunthorpe, Huddersfield - all draws, resulting in a total of three points.

It's a start.

Agreed, it is a start but that's as far as it goes at the moment. I'm hoping we can build on it.