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« Reply #120 on: Sunday, March 14, 2021, 18:43:23 » |
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In reality, it doesn't matter whether supporters 'trust' anyone as it generally has little or no impact.
Doing business all year round is important. Somerset cricket club seem to be a good example of that.
30,000 capacity seems a good idea but is it a great thing to be playing each week with the ground only a third full?
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« Reply #121 on: Sunday, March 14, 2021, 18:46:59 » |
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Unless his thinking has changed in the last 12 months or so, I think Clem has plans to develop the CG on its current site - especially the Town End as others have described here, with corporate boxes, a casino and even a hotel I think.
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« Reply #122 on: Sunday, March 14, 2021, 19:17:25 » |
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In reality, it doesn't matter whether supporters 'trust' anyone as it generally has little or no impact.
Doing business all year round is important. Somerset cricket club seem to be a good example of that.
30,000 capacity seems a good idea but is it a great thing to be playing each week with the ground only a third full?
Not if you’re in the championship, with ticket pricing to encourage family attendance. Think Bradford.
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« Reply #123 on: Sunday, March 14, 2021, 19:27:31 » |
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car park aint part of the stadium - unless you want to buy that off the council as well
a land locked asset!
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« Reply #124 on: Sunday, March 14, 2021, 19:30:16 » |
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Not if you’re in the championship, with ticket pricing to encourage family attendance. Think Bradford.
I was on the receiving end of some adverse reactions recently when I suggested that STFC are unlikely to sustain average attendances much over 10k. History certainly suggests that. If anything, it's now harder to compete with the premier league/PL clubs, particularly given Swindon's close proximity to London.
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« Reply #125 on: Sunday, March 14, 2021, 19:42:51 » |
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a land locked asset!
It's not landlocked per se as there will be rights of way etc over neighbouring land included in the lease. However, I seem to recall the area demised (or leased) essentially included the current 'footprint' of the ground and buildings.
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« Reply #126 on: Sunday, March 14, 2021, 20:32:04 » |
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I was on the receiving end of some adverse reactions recently when I suggested that STFC are unlikely to sustain average attendances much over 10k. History certainly suggests that. If anything, it's now harder to compete with the premier league/PL clubs, particularly given Swindon's close proximity to London.
I agree. Hence the need to encourage families whose offspring are the fans of tomorrow. Match day experience and all that.
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« Reply #127 on: Sunday, March 14, 2021, 20:38:15 » |
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I was on the receiving end of some adverse reactions recently when I suggested that STFC are unlikely to sustain average attendances much over 10k. History certainly suggests that. If anything, it's now harder to compete with the premier league/PL clubs, particularly given Swindon's close proximity to London. I think the championship is as hard for us to reach and sustain now as the premiership was when we were in it. That said I don't think we are capped at 10kn crowd ceilings, but it's going to take a lot of investment to show that. the Bradford model doesn't work in most places. What chairman wouldn't want double the crowd in at half the price
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« Reply #128 on: Sunday, March 14, 2021, 20:38:59 » |
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Coming back to the original question.
Doesn't it simply come down to how much cash Clem has and how much is he prepared to invest (rather than loan the club).
Power and his backers were regularly putting in £1-£2M a season. Reasonable expectation is he might need to do the same (as did Andrew Black and Co).
The ground redevelopment may be important in the long term but short term it's about building a stable team on the pitch and not the constant rebuild every summer.
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« Reply #129 on: Sunday, March 14, 2021, 20:49:34 » |
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We managed 13,000 just last season in the 4th tier. I do think that 30,000 would be too big for us, though. We'd never come close to filling it. Franchise are the perfect example of a club whose ground is way too big for them. The place is cavernous and the atmosphere in the ground will suffer as a result.
Think I'd be happy enough with a nicely redeveloped, coherent 20,000 seater ground on the current site - which should just about be doable. Interesting to see that Brentford's new place - which looks lovely - holds just 17,250. And they could be playing in the Prem next season.
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« Reply #130 on: Sunday, March 14, 2021, 21:05:58 » |
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30,000 would be way too big for the football club but that’s not overly relevant is it?
Any new ground/redevelopment would need to multipurpose and used as often as possible. STFC might not be able to attract 30k people but could *insert name of popular band* do it? Could the CG host say a major boxing card? Could they get WWE to put on a show here during their European loop? So on and so forth.
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« Reply #131 on: Sunday, March 14, 2021, 21:06:31 » |
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20k would be sufficient in my view.
You might see 13k when a league title is in sight - but not week in and week out regardless of whether it is div 2, 3 or 4. Of course, as is the case with most topics, this is informed by idle speculation.
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« Reply #132 on: Sunday, March 14, 2021, 21:08:23 » |
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Do you need a 30k seats for a gig when you have a large part of the pitch as well?
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« Reply #133 on: Sunday, March 14, 2021, 21:14:45 » |
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Do you need a 30k seats for a gig when you have a large part of the pitch as well?
I guess that depends on who is playing. How much capacity you lose to the stage and whether said act and doing gigs in the surrounding areas. Not my area of knowledge at all to be fair.
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« Reply #134 on: Sunday, March 14, 2021, 22:01:32 » |
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I event managed the Take that show at Anfield in 2019. We were working on a capacity of roughly 40k. It's dependent on the size and positioning of the stage. A stage like the Take that stage takes a third of the pitch. We had 10k on the pitch.
Truth is the CG is not going to get A list of stadium gigs. Ashton gate already has the contacts with the main promoters. We might get the likes of Rod Stewart but we're not getting Muse, Spice Girls, Take That, Killers etc.
The money the venue makes from the stadium shows is not amazing. It's made from the concession stands. Where we put them is another matter due to the small footprint.
As I see it we should not be relying on gigs as a vital part of the business plan. We'll be lucky to get 1 a year.
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