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« Reply #45 on: Saturday, July 18, 2020, 19:34:04 »

If Wigan win their final game and Charlton & Luton draw their games, Wigan would stay up because if their points deduction was applied season, Wigan would stay up on goal difference.

If you are effectively removing four wins from a team's point total, their goal difference should also be penalised.

If twelve draws are being removed, then forget everything I have said (unless of course a team that would have been deducted points stayed up because of more goals scored in a tied points and goal difference situation).
That is a good point which no one that matters seems to have ever  considered yet
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« Reply #46 on: Sunday, July 19, 2020, 03:19:00 »

If Wigan win their final game and Charlton & Luton draw their games, Wigan would stay up because if their points deduction was applied this season, Wigan would stay up on goal difference.

If being the operative word in the first instance. Second instance it moot. They will get points deducted this season (they can appeal after) regardless. All that matters is whether or not they do enough to create a big enough points or equal points and better GD, gap. Yet there are a number of variables that seem to weigh against Wigan as well as needing their own win. Just to piss you off, I've stated and applied some valid reasoning below Soapy Tit Wank

Wigan face Fulham who are playing for an auto spot. Both are desperate for 3pts. Wigan have to win their match regardless of any scenario, as do Fulham but I see neither overcoming the other (unless Mitrovic is on it like today) but there could be several goals.
Prediction: A dramatic Score Draw

Charlton play away at Leeds. Sure Leeds fans would love them to win at home but they are already Champions and have nothing to play for now, especially if Leeds beat Derby at Derby; which I'm sure their fans would take much more joy from. It'll likely just be a virtual dick waving show (via iFollow or LeedsNET) for said fans, of which many will still be on the piss, including some of the players. Charlton will be playing to win (you'd imagine). They might be playing Leeds at the best possible time really, seeing as the Leeds boys will be a little more relaxed. If that wasn't enough, to swing slightly in Charton's favour...I'll remind you who is the Charlton manager? Only ex-Leeds of 7 years and twice player of the year, yep that racist lad from Camden Town, Lee Bowyer.

Despite Charlton's efforts, I see a rather petered out affair in which Leeds allow Charlton to attack them yet they struggle to take the opportunity. As noted this really will be a Bonne chance but going by the predicted result at Wigan Pier, the result here may not matter and I doubt Leeds fans will be bothered about the importance.
Prediction: A beer soaked Draw (poss score draw).

Luton play Blackburn who have shit all to play for (perhaps they forgot that when busting a gut v Berkshire Royals today). Going on current form, Luton do have some of the best in the division (8pts from 4) is only matched by Wigan and understandably only bettered by 3 of the top 4. Better form than potential late bottlers, West Brom. They chucked the kitchen sink at "can't buy a win" Hull today and could've won by 9 (this is a dig at the Wigan result) but they prevailed and got a deserved win, which as we all know must've been an incredibly tense 6pt-er. I would back them to do it again and get a win here too.
Prediction: Luton Win

NB: Barnsley could shock them all, with a slim outside chance. It is very slim though and relies on at first, a victory versus Forest. The wood-dwellers likely want to get at least a point to secure their PO spot before any last day drama (leave that to the two Welsh Clubs). Forest should get the win but they've stuttered the last few games and so a draw is not out the question. Seemingly a Forest fan would be feeling nervous about the POs. Their only hope is for West Brom to drop out of the autos, who also have terrible form for a top 6 side. Prediction: Draw (which won't be enough) and go on to lose their last match v Brentford who, like Fulham will be playing for an auto spot.

Taking Barnsley's slim hopes out of the equation and removing any in-game jiggery-pokery, favours for former players or large betting scandals involving Chairmen, I would say Luton have the best opportunity to beat the drop. Charlton have less work to do but they have been poor so I feel they will be sweating more on the Wigan result, rather than getting the job done. Risky business. Having said that, Wigan have the toughest task in winning terms. Yes they have equal (8pts from 4) form as Luton but face Fulham who have a 2.5ppg (10pts from 4) and they do have to win their match, whereas (as risky as it is) the others don't have to win from the outset.
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« Reply #47 on: Sunday, July 19, 2020, 03:26:16 »

That is a good point which no one that matters seems to have ever  considered yet

The reason, I would imagine is to avoid further claims from other teams because the points deduction (and most usually aren't) doesn't relate to any results on the pitch. Rather the conduct of the club off it is where it relates to. This is why things like GD are not considered in the deduction. For starters, how would you even begin to choose which match(es) you are going to be deducting goals from? And if so, then other teams could claim those as potential victories/draws.

In other words, they'd be opening up an even bigger can of worms than might already be opened anyway.
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« Reply #48 on: Sunday, July 19, 2020, 08:30:40 »

it's an interesting point, but games aren't being removed from the record.

it's straight points. that's it
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« Reply #49 on: Sunday, July 19, 2020, 09:42:38 »

That is a good point which no one that matters seems to have ever  considered yet

It’s not

...because if you are removing certain results (rather than just the points) then couldn’t the teams on the other end of the result claim they should have the points by default?
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« Reply #50 on: Sunday, July 19, 2020, 10:36:09 »

Wasn't a 3-0 defeat once the default to a team who e.g. didn't turn up?

What was the Scotland game where they kicked off against no opponents, and the game was abandoned? It was going to default to a mock win, but I think they eventually played the game on another occasion though.
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« Reply #51 on: Sunday, July 19, 2020, 16:58:17 »

Wasn't a 3-0 defeat once the default to a team who e.g. didn't turn up?

What was the Scotland game where they kicked off against no opponents, and the game was abandoned? It was going to default to a mock win, but I think they eventually played the game on another occasion though.
Estonia I think, but yes it was eventually replayed
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« Reply #52 on: Sunday, July 19, 2020, 17:43:33 »

Estonia I think, but yes it was eventually replayed

Thank you, yes it was a World Cup qualifier in 1996

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_team_in_Tallinngroup

Quote "Scotland initially believed that they would be awarded the match by a default score of 3–0, which appeared to be confirmed by the FIFA match delegate.".
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« Reply #53 on: Wednesday, July 22, 2020, 10:29:41 »

Bristol Rovers have done moderately good business over the last week (Jack Baldwin, Josh Grant, Max Ehmer and Sam Nicholson).
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« Reply #54 on: Wednesday, July 22, 2020, 10:33:51 »

Bristol Rovers have done moderately good business over the last week (Jack Baldwin, Josh Grant, Max Ehmer and Sam Nicholson).
They have signed a few that on paper seem pretty decent.

Not that many L1 clubs making signings at the moment though, especially us, much to the chagrin of many Town fans on FB/Twitter.
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« Reply #55 on: Wednesday, July 22, 2020, 10:38:17 »

They have signed a few that on paper seem pretty decent.

Not that many L1 clubs making signings at the moment though, especially us, much to the chagrin of many Town fans on FB/Twitter.

Apart from Blackpool Wink
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« Reply #56 on: Wednesday, July 22, 2020, 10:47:51 »

Apart from Blackpool Wink
We don't talk about them! Cheesy our new fiercest rivals!
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« Reply #57 on: Wednesday, July 22, 2020, 11:56:36 »

We don't talk about them! Cheesy our new fiercest rivals!

shhhh - that Tangerine whelk will be on shortly to tell us how 'bitter' we are.
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« Reply #58 on: Wednesday, July 22, 2020, 11:59:52 »

We don't talk about them! Cheesy our new fiercest rivals!

Its all a bit like us and Oxford really, got a couple of mates who support Preston and they couldn't give a toss about Blackpool, but Blackpool fans are obsessed with them!
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« Reply #59 on: Wednesday, July 22, 2020, 12:06:22 »

I'm off to the pub tonight to watch the finale (on the pitch anyway) of the Championship.

I want Charlton down for a good away trip next season, together with Hull who I tipped a while ago.
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