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« Reply #30 on: Saturday, June 27, 2020, 19:14:55 »

Well if Reg is going to claim Power you might as well add Simon Cox who definitely scored a hat trick

Yep and Simon Cox is about as Irish as Andy Townsend. Yet we all know where Andy Townsend's father was born Smiley
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« Reply #31 on: Saturday, June 27, 2020, 19:18:21 »

Well if Reg is going to claim Power you might as well add Simon Cox who definitely scored a hat trick

If you want BAME golascorers then look no further than te daddy Harry Morris, who was Jewish.
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« Reply #32 on: Saturday, June 27, 2020, 19:27:39 »

You've misunderstood the term BAME: it is specifically used to refer to non-white minorities, that is the whole point of it. So it may include non-white Irish or Jewish players but would not include Cox or Morris

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/bame

http://www.irr.org.uk/research/statistics/definitions/
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« Reply #33 on: Saturday, June 27, 2020, 19:56:48 »

You've misunderstood the term BAME: it is specifically used to refer to non-white minorities, that is the whole point of it. So it may include non-white Irish or Jewish players but would not include Cox or Morris

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/bame

http://www.irr.org.uk/research/statistics/definitions/

I was aware of this. Not sure Reginald was though  Hmmm
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« Reply #34 on: Saturday, June 27, 2020, 20:07:26 »

I was aware of this. Not sure Reginald was though  Hmmm

Then you shoukd know that BAME is a misunderstood term..... so for example the Civil Service when instrucing their servants how to correctly use acronyms and language recommend, and I quote.....

" Do not forget that ethnic minorities include White minorities.... "
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« Reply #35 on: Saturday, June 27, 2020, 20:16:51 »

Then you shoukd know that BAME is a misunderstood term..... so for example the Civil Service when instrucing their servants how to correctly use acronyms and language recommend, and I quote.....

" Do not forget that ethnic minorities include White minorities.... "

Not so much a misunderstood term. It is an adapted term and everyone (unless under somewhere monolithic) understands why it has and the usage of BAME. Like all language and acronyms, they are ever evolving. What one meant some time ago and it's context can be expressed entirely different today. See my post (as it happens) regarding the word "Negro". A word such as gay, meaning and use is much different to the original use.
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« Reply #36 on: Saturday, June 27, 2020, 20:35:15 »

I don't understand why people have to be categorized, will never help us move forward.
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« Reply #37 on: Saturday, June 27, 2020, 20:45:42 »

There will always be categorisation, look at your passport? For as long as people look different, practice another faith, are a different gender and so on it will exist. Surely you want to know you exist? By design we categorise ourselves, even if that is merely as a human or inhabitant of earth. You still separate yourself from other species or identifying a planet you are on.

I've always found the categorisation argument a little moot because we all do it. For ourselves. People want to be BAME and proud. The issue isn't about people from that (or any) background wanting to move on and celebrate their own heritage as equally as anyone else, it is that some people do not want them to be able to  Smiley
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« Reply #38 on: Sunday, June 28, 2020, 09:20:10 »

I don't understand why people have to be categorized, will never help us move forward.

Are you British or English?
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« Reply #39 on: Sunday, June 28, 2020, 10:08:26 »

Interesting to see how many people on social media who were spouting 'all lives matter' in response to BLM are now making much about then immigrant status of those killed in Glasgow, its almost as if all lives don't actually matter.
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« Reply #40 on: Sunday, June 28, 2020, 11:31:45 »

Then you shoukd know that BAME is a misunderstood term..... so for example the Civil Service when instrucing their servants how to correctly use acronyms and language recommend, and I quote.....

" Do not forget that ethnic minorities include White minorities.... "
Yes, but it's not part of the definition of BAME. Fair enough, you made an honest mistake
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« Reply #41 on: Sunday, June 28, 2020, 12:37:01 »

BRRRRRRRRRRIIIINNNNNGGGGGGGGGG!!!

OK children. There's the bell. Time to stop bickering in the playground.

Any ideas on who the "firsts" are in the female STFC players?
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« Reply #42 on: Sunday, June 28, 2020, 12:42:28 »

Bring what ... where?
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« Reply #43 on: Sunday, June 28, 2020, 12:43:25 »

I don't understand why people have to be categorized, will never help us move forward.

Are you middle aged?
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« Reply #44 on: Sunday, June 28, 2020, 13:04:21 »

Yes, but it's not part of the definition of BAME. Fair enough, you made an honest mistake

Here's what the Jews say about Covid and disproportional BAME deathrate....

"However, these statistics also affect the Jewish community, and we’re being left out of the conversation — falling through the cracks of race — again. According to the Race Relations act, Jews are a protected ethnic minority in the UK, being classified as a BAME community. However, Jews are often mistaken for a solely religious, not ethnic, minority by the general public and corporations, such as the BBC (ּBritish Broadcasting Corporation). This was apparent when Savid Javid was hailed as the first BAME Home Secretary in the UK, when there had previously been Jewish Home Secretaries.

Despite being 0.3% of the total population, the latest reports state Jews make up 2.1% of COVID-19 fatalities. We are over four times more likely to die of COVID-19 than the general public.

As I said there's some misunderstanding of the term, which is largely a catch all to look into deprivation, discrimination and inequality. So yes, I don't think your mistake makes you an anti-Semite.

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