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« Reply #5400 on: Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 11:39:10 »

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ah the good old Plymouth Brevs. Fairly strict. They owned Cotswold fasteners, they wouldn't allow car stereos in the company cars back in the 90s. so the non PB used to install them under a seat..
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anyway it's all a bit of a shit show in contract reverting isn't it
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« Reply #5401 on: Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 14:58:49 »

Just nipped to the shops in Turkey to pick up a few bits and pieces. 100% of people were wearing masks, they seem to be taking this stuff seriously over here.
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« Reply #5402 on: Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 15:21:19 »

same in Spain/Canaries by everything I've seen.

I've actually seen canarians(?) on social media pushing the local government to make masks compulsory in all public areas.

I'm sure there are dissidents too, not seen any yet
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« Reply #5403 on: Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 19:18:25 »

The (incorrect, under-reported) UK death toll from Coronavirus is dropped by over 5.000
Odd that they use the ONS for certain figures but ignore (the inconvenient) others
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« Reply #5404 on: Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 19:33:09 »

No I agree, hence my comment about it seems a bit clumsy to be so coarse-grained. But I don't think that alters the principle that it's going to be necessary to introduce these kind of rolling travel restrictions for some time as we see flare-ups in other countries/regions. And accept when they are imposed on us, as well.


We can't even stop 50 illegal immigrants making it to Dover from Calais
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« Reply #5405 on: Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 19:59:43 »

same in Spain/Canaries by everything I've seen.

I've actually seen canarians(?) on social media pushing the local government to make masks compulsory in all public areas.


Probably tweeting about it
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« Reply #5406 on: Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 20:09:38 »

Probably tweeting about it

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« Reply #5407 on: Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 20:48:02 »

but the canaries aren't named after the...

oh never mind, was a good one liner Smiley
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« Reply #5408 on: Today at 07:11:08 »

The (incorrect, under-reported) UK death toll from Coronavirus is dropped by over 5.000
Odd that they use the ONS for certain figures but ignore (the inconvenient) others
No, the PHE has changed the way it calculates its figures. That is what has dropped. ONS figures remain as they were. Both are problematic. Which is why even the govt agrees that the only reliable measure is excess deaths. That figure remains at over 65,000.
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« Reply #5409 on: Today at 07:33:31 »

The PHE toll was an absolute farce in all honesty.
If someone tested positive for Coronavirus in March, recovered and then died in a car crash last week, that would go down as a coronavirus death.
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« Reply #5410 on: Today at 08:01:19 »

No, the PHE has changed the way it calculates its figures. That is what has dropped. ONS figures remain as they were. Both are problematic. Which is why even the govt agrees that the only reliable measure is excess deaths. That figure remains at over 65,000.

In England and Wales, since w/e 19th June - we have seen a reduction of c1,500 less excess deaths.  Should this not be taken off?
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« Reply #5411 on: Today at 08:08:23 »

Statistically yes but difficult to attribute any non deaths to Coronavirus.
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« Reply #5412 on: Today at 09:57:57 »

The PHE toll was an absolute farce in all honesty.
If someone tested positive for Coronavirus in March, recovered and then died in a car crash last week, that would go down as a coronavirus death.

aah but they were caused by people who didn't do the trip to Barnard Castle eyetest and so blinded by coronavirus, they killed themselves/others. Statistics, pff you couldn't make it up.
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« Reply #5413 on: Today at 10:01:47 »

The PHE toll was an absolute farce in all honesty.
If someone tested positive for Coronavirus in March, recovered and then died in a car crash last week, that would go down as a coronavirus death.
Yes, but this reversal is no better, it assumes you either get better or die within 23 days of a +ve diagnosis. If you die 28 days or more after a +ve diagnosis, you're assumed not to have died of COVID. There are loads of documented cases of people being ill for months with COVID, with both good and bad outcomes. So PHE have simply replaced one misleading stat with another.

And on a side note, there's not been nearly enough discussion in the media of what constitutes "recovery". There's growing evidence that COVID can have severe long term consequences for lots of people whereas the way it's being talked about at the moment is very much in binary terms - get ill for a few weeks and you either die or get better. Lots of people don't die but don't get better either.
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« Reply #5414 on: Today at 10:50:56 »

And on a side note, there's not been nearly enough discussion in the media of what constitutes "recovery". There's growing evidence that COVID can have severe long term consequences for lots of people whereas the way it's being talked about at the moment is very much in binary terms - get ill for a few weeks and you either die or get better. Lots of people don't die but don't get better either.

https://www.longcovid.org/

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