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« Reply #60 on: Sunday, April 5, 2020, 19:06:49 »

In the same way that privileged people not be allowed to have conservative values?

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« Reply #61 on: Sunday, April 5, 2020, 19:32:04 »

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What question was that?
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« Reply #62 on: Sunday, April 5, 2020, 20:11:46 »

Do you know what, I asked this question as there seemed to be little else to be happening in the world but the virus at the moment and this was a genuine interesting event that would be happening.  I was trepidatious about asking a political question as I suspected it would become tedious fucking binary bollocks again.

I was right.

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« Reply #63 on: Sunday, April 5, 2020, 20:38:39 »

We can talk about the shadow cabinet if you like... I can't honestly say I've heard of two of the top five named and I'm a party member, so I guess that counts as a fresh start. Glad to see Nandy get a decent job though.
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« Reply #64 on: Sunday, April 5, 2020, 20:54:16 »

I have no time for either Labour or Conservatives

Ideally I like 5 years of each to limit the damage they can inflict upon us.

And for both to be effectively emasculated requires a strong opposition.

Starmer and Phillips should make great opposition within the severe confines of a lack of seats.

Starmer's dull reliability and careful sincerity giving a gravitas Johnson lacks while Phillip's working class humour and directness looks capable of cutting down Boris' slightly faux blokeish levity.

Two cheers, at least for the prospect of some opposition, even if the Tories'majority on a minority of the popular vote gives them carte blanche.
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« Reply #65 on: Sunday, April 5, 2020, 21:04:06 »

Rayner won, Jess Phillips stood for leader but withdrew. Wrong bolshy working class woman, you want the Mancunian one not the Brummy one. Otherwise pretty accurate though.
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« Reply #66 on: Sunday, April 5, 2020, 21:28:17 »

Thanks for the correction, Nemo.

I hope Rayner and St armer will be almost as good.

For all Johnson's affable rogueishness, he has overseen a ruthless purge of the decent strands of his party and nearly of Parliament itself. 

We should not have to look primarily to our Courts to effectively check a power hungry Government from exceeding its powers.  It should be the role for a decent opposition to engage popular opinion to bear on Government conduct.
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« Reply #67 on: Monday, April 6, 2020, 06:36:21 »

Do you know what, I asked this question as there seemed to be little else to be happening in the world but the virus at the moment and this was a genuine interesting event that would be happening.  I was trepidatious about asking a political question as I suspected it would become tedious fucking binary bollocks again.

I was right.

Goodnight.
tbf, it's largely been seriously discussed apart from the one usual troll
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« Reply #68 on: Tuesday, April 7, 2020, 09:04:09 »

He's the most appealing of all the candidates to the majority, and I think labour wanted that after years of partisan politics. The complete mishandling of the anti-semitism situation didn't help, and if anything gives him an easy target to tilt at in his first few weeks to build up his credibility.

Looking at his work and political record (there's a good brief summation on the BBC, and catching up on a few discussions/speeches he's made, he seems a sensible and level-headed examiner of facts who puts forward policies/opinions based on the desires/problems of his constituents and what will fix the problem, without making grand promises or ignoring information because it suits him.

Someone using actual facts to formulate ideas about what we should be doing, and building a platform based on reasoning and accuracy?! How rare in the modern age!

If people get hung up on education when it comes to labour leaders let's not forget 'man of the people' Harold Wilson went to a grammar school and Oxford university. Being called a champagne socialist because you were lucky enough (through whatever reason- your parents working hard to improve your lot in life, being able to afford it through a grant etc., you personally working hard to afford it, you coming from a rich family but later realising your politics don't match that upbringing, etc. etc...) to get a decent education does perhaps take the piss somewhat. Do all Labour Politicians have to be miners with a pipe and flat cap to not be deemed as such?

What sway the unions and shadier parts of the labour party have over him will at the end of the day be the arbiter of his leadership. Corbyn always seemed to me to be an enabler of the shadier sects of the Labour party, hence how the party got into the situation it found itself in regarding the anti-semitism accusations.
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