So, What Happens . . .

[Batch]

Wellens says the Albert Hall and the London Palladium opens up this week with 56% capacity.

Equate that with keeping a football stadium closed.

I've come to the conclusion that trying to apply logic to it is akin to trying to apply logic to why a serial killer kills. there is none.
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stark but unsurprising warning from the Orient

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54516180

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

I see Rick Parry failed to inform his 72 members about a £375m bid for 20% of the EFL from an American firm.

He needs to go. Now.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/efl-rejected-375m-offer-from-american-firm-fwzqm2pm2

[NotHarryAgombar]

As far as I can see, the only logic behind not allowing spectators at football stadia when they are allowed at other venues (indoors) is that for teams in London and probably other big cities is the issue of congestion on public transport because of crowd sizes - even at 25% capacity, that means 12-15000 leaving (say) Tottenham or Arsenal at the same time.
That of course would apply less for teams such as STFC and others in smaller towns because more people travel to games by car.
The problem is they like a “one size fits all” solution.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

The proposed split of the PL bailout would be 75% to Championship, 15% to L1 and 10% to L2.

So, about £8m, £1.6m, £1.1m or thereabouts

[Quagmire]

The proposed split of the PL bailout would be 75% to Championship, 15% to L1 and 10% to L2.

So, about £8m, £1.6m, £1.1m or thereabouts

Laughable.

[pauld]

The proposed split of the PL bailout would be 75% to Championship, 15% to L1 and 10% to L2.

So, about £8m, £1.6m, £1.1m or thereabouts

This imbalance needs sorting out as much as anything. The chasm between Championship and L1 is becoming more insurmountable than that between the Championship and the Prem. We commonly think the big issues in football pyramid are greedy Prem vs EFL but it's as much Prem vs Championship vs L1/L2. We're like the inhabitants of a country plunged into civil war being fought as a proxy war between the big powers

[Flashheart]

The proposed split of the PL bailout would be 75% to Championship, 15% to L1 and 10% to L2.

So, about £8m, £1.6m, £1.1m or thereabouts

That is per club, right?

I'm not saying it would be OK per club (it isn't) but it's at least better than it being per league.

So it is per club, yeah?

[pauld]

That is per club, right?

I'm not saying it would be OK per club (it isn't) but it's at least better than it being per league.

So it is per club, yeah?

Yes the proposed bailout is £250m in total

[Flashheart]

Yes the proposed bailout is £250m in total

Well that's something.

But still disgraceful. That is nothing to each of those clubs individually.

[pauld]

Well that's something.

But still disgraceful. That is nothing to each of those clubs individually.

I dunno, I'd imagine £1.5m would be quite handy for us. Given about 90% of clubs have apparently backed the idea, it seems plenty of clubs find it tempting enough to ignore the potential downside down the line

[Valid Pint]

As far as I can see, the only logic behind not allowing spectators at football stadia when they are allowed at other venues (indoors) is that for teams in London and probably other big cities is the issue of congestion on public transport because of crowd sizes - even at 25% capacity, that means 12-15000 leaving (say) Tottenham or Arsenal at the same time.
That of course would apply less for teams such as STFC and others in smaller towns because more people travel to games by car.
The problem is they like a “one size fits all” solution.

I just got back from watching a cracking FA Cup match in the flesh.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

Well that's something.

But still disgraceful. That is nothing to each of those clubs individually.

Of course, Parry’s Plan would see that amount each and every year - as 25% of the TV money.

But here’s the rub. That would be wholly dependent on the TV money remaining as it is right now. Once the Big 6 have complete control of the PL there’s nothing stopping them deciding to broadcast directly themselves and bypassing Sky/BT etc altogether. Or even breaking away to form a European Super League.

How much would today’s TV money plummet then. 25% of fuck all isn’t very much.

[pauld]

Of course, Parry’s Plan would see that amount each and every year - as 25% of the TV money.

The 25% of the TV money is considerably more than that, £15m for Championship clubs, £3.5m for L1 and I can't remember what it is for L2, but more than their share of the £250m

But here’s the rub. That would be wholly dependent on the TV money remaining as it is right now. Once the Big 6 have complete control of the PL there’s nothing stopping them deciding to broadcast directly themselves and bypassing Sky/BT etc altogether. Or even breaking away to form a European Super League.

How much would today’s TV money plummet then. 25% of fuck all isn’t very much.

That's not the only danger. Even if the Big 6 stay in, what's to stop them in three years time deciding they no longer want to hand over 25% of the dosh, and that 2.5% would be more realistic? TBF, there could be safeguards for that scenario written in to any agreement, maybe protected by the FA's "golden share" (or a similar veto for the EFL on this issue), but I can't think of any safeguard to the scenario you point out.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

In all the reports I’ve read it states ‘25% of PL income’ which I presume would not just be TV money. I think a ring-fenced actual amount would be way better. Say, £250m or 25% whichever is the greater would swing it.

[Panda Paws]

There's lots to like about the proposal as a lower league club. The voting rights is a big price to pay. It's a good starting point for negotiations and something needs to happen.

David Ornstein's pod on it from Monday is worth a listen. Well sourced and we'll balanced.