Coronavirus

[Batch]

it's not far off

you will be able to mix with up to 6 outside.

restaurants and pubs that serve food can open.

people can go to football maybe.

outdoor sports are back on

[Abrahammer]

The hospitality industry is fucked for at least another three weeks.

Another hammer blow to the most affected sector of the economy over what should be its most profitable period of the year.

I suppose it’s young people making up the vast majority of those employees so fuck ‘em

[Wobbly Bob]

Feel for the “wet” pubs, publicans and their staff.
A lot of those places spent good money on following guidelines and making their premises as safe as possible.

I’m guessing that the hard scientific evidence behind a pint with a meal being safer than a pint on its own is a bit thin on the ground.

[Bogus Dave]

Feel for the “wet” pubs, publicans and their staff.
A lot of those places spent good money on following guidelines and making their premises as safe as possible.

I’m guessing that the hard scientific evidence behind a pint with a meal being safer than a pint on its own is a bit thin on the ground.

It will be the same ‘stop people getting too drunk’ logic that brought the 10pm curfew in. Less likely to get bladdered in a Toby carvery than down the local

[horlock07]

It will be the same ‘stop people getting too drunk’ logic that brought the 10pm curfew in. Less likely to get bladdered in a Toby carvery than down the local

Doesn't the Cheltenham fan manage a Toby carvery, might have to get bladdered to put up with that!

[horlock07]

[RobertT]

Feel for the “wet” pubs, publicans and their staff.
A lot of those places spent good money on following guidelines and making their premises as safe as possible.

I’m guessing that the hard scientific evidence behind a pint with a meal being safer than a pint on its own is a bit thin on the ground.

The problem is not wet pubs, but establishments who do nothing to control interaction.  The food concept is the easiest way of limiting interaction - you have to have a set table to eat, so you are not up and mingling with other people.  Where I live they've not really done a lot to limit occupancy, so I have avoided going out.  In Northern States they have ripped out tables, added temp checks on the way in, removed menu's etc.

The pictures, which are no doubt selective, of the UK, reminded me of my youth in the Town Centre, and that was the problem.  Stand-up style pubs, or pubs that may have tables but they are more props for holding empty pint glasses.  It should be pretty easy - name on the door, designated table, don't fucking move, enjoy a pint and/or a meal.  Cut your occupancy to 50% of less so that any given person seated is at least 6 feet, more likely 10ft, from someone on another table.

[pauld]

Another hammer blow to the most affected sector of the economy over what should be its most profitable period of the year.

I suppose it’s young people making up the vast majority of those employees so fuck ‘em

There should be better support for these businesses and their employees, it seems like it's a halfway house where the govt are cutting them off at the knees, but not prepared to offer full support again as they did from March. So we end up with the worst of both worlds

[BambooToTheFuture]

Professor Ellen Stokes-Lampard mentions on Ch4 News that ICU bed capacity is at 95% average in England. Usual threshold capacity is around 80% average.

All this as the government starts to ease lockdown and the precipice of Mid-Winter approaches...all seems rather strange moves to me but hey...I know nothing 

[Bogus Dave]

What does 80% threshold mean?

Not to be dramatic but my instinct would have been that ICU beds are probably about 95% of capacity in a normal winter anyway (due to a number of reasons, most of which reflect poorly on the government in charge)

[BambooToTheFuture]

Pretty certain that Prof ES-L was saying that 80% gives more comfortable wiggle room, whereas at 95% Doctors are having to make more difficult decisions when a lot closer to the limit. Like sending patients elsewhere, not being able to give them the correct bed or queued corridors.

I was just relaying what she had said. I think we're (the NHS) is in for a very long Winter.

[Bogus Dave]

Of course. I don’t doubt that 80% is what they want to achieve for the reasons you’ve given. But I don’t know how often that it’s as low as that

[pauld]

What does 80% threshold mean?

Not to be dramatic but my instinct would have been that ICU beds are probably about 95% of capacity in a normal winter anyway (due to a number of reasons, most of which reflect poorly on the government in charge)

NHS *total* bed occupancy is often in the range 90-95% in January, but ICU bed occupancy would typically be a bit lower. So Jan 2020 it was 83%, compared to 85% in Jan 2019

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/03/MSitRep-SPN-v2.1-Ja7T2.pdf

[horlock07]

All this as the government starts to ease lockdown and the precipice of Mid-Winter approaches...all seems rather strange moves to me but hey...I know nothing  

They are not easing lockdown when compared with where we were prior to this lockdown, which is the basis for the present ICU position. We (and many parts of the country now in Tier 2) are more locked down than we were before, basically the 'new' system is tightening the lock down from where it was.

(if that makes sense)

[BambooToTheFuture]

They are not easing lockdown when compared with where we were prior to this lockdown, which is the basis for the present ICU position. We (and many parts of the country now in Tier 2) are more locked down than we were before, basically the 'new' system is tightening the lock down from where it was.

(if that makes sense)

Apologies, I was playing a little towards Devil's Advocate. You make perfect sense, it is more so that this government don't so much. Surely what was the point in naming the current "lockdown" as such? When but for two counties and an AONB, as you state will be in tighter restrictions than said current lockdown.

I get the reasons as you lay out but surely shouldn't we (England/UK/whatever) be in even tighter restrictions until Dec 2nd? Add to that this lockdown 2.0 has been not really a lockdown (even lockdown 1.0 wasn't as restricting as other places). I do see England going through an incredibly tough Jan and Feb - all at the expense of the Christmas period. As we all know, that SARS-CoV-2 enjoys taking a break during the Festive period too.