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« Reply #1680 on: Saturday, March 28, 2020, 15:41:04 » |
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NHS have apparently been in touch with a medical fetish site and had all their supplies of gloves and masks. Would be funny except for how clear it makes it how desperate the situation is for getting even a pretence of protective equipment to frontline NHS staff https://twitter.com/MedFet_UK/status/1243590308878848002We had months to prepare for this in January and Feburary. NHS staff are being used as cannon fodder Blatantly fake. People don’t realise that the face masks and gloves do not make a difference. The blue masks the general public are using don’t stop you getting the virus. If anything they stop you spreading it. |
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If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you're gonna see some serious shit...
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« Reply #1681 on: Saturday, March 28, 2020, 15:46:25 » |
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Blatantly fake.
People don’t realise that the face masks and gloves do not make a difference. The blue masks the general public are using don’t stop you getting the virus. If anything they stop you spreading it.
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« Reply #1682 on: Saturday, March 28, 2020, 15:49:10 » |
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Which article is that?
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If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you're gonna see some serious shit...
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« Reply #1683 on: Saturday, March 28, 2020, 15:51:05 » |
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I heard on a program this week that the countries with the highest death rates from this are the countries with the higher proportion of heavy smokers. China, Italy, Spain, Indonesia, USA, France, Iran etc.
If ever there was a reason to give up......
Even if it is closing the gate after the horse has bolted.
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« Reply #1684 on: Saturday, March 28, 2020, 18:06:15 » |
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Can see some correlation there PV but I'm not fully convinced... Indonesia has about 90 deaths Turkey 75 deaths Paraguay 3 deaths Uruguay 0 deaths c250 cases I highlight Uruguay because it's internationally recognised as a place where smoking is actively encouraged in the young by Big Tobacco. Bloomberg has been trying to sue them for their "advertising standards" over there - using his own money. He's been trying to do so for at least 10 years as much as I know. But all of those above have high smoking rates so I guess like anything, it's a usual matter of extracting the data they want to develop on; in order to produce the story/findings they want to lead us to. In any case - always a good time for anyone to quit. On Covid-19, I'd say Netherlands must be panicking. They have c9.75k cases with c700 deaths. UK has c17k cases with c1k deaths. Belgium interestingly as their next door neighbours have c7.5k cases with c300 deaths. Netherlands having a population of around 17.5m puts their D per 1m P (Death per 1m pop.) at 40. UKs is 15 (based on 1020d/68m). Which leads back round to smoking. Of course we know there are a lot of smokers (herbal) in the Netherlands. I do wonder if social stereotyping has a role to play here too. The Dutch are very "free" open, relaxed and friendly, Italians are very touchy feely etc. The Spanish (esp in the South) are very accepting. Germans tend to know and respect personal space a bit more. I'm not saying everyone from those countries behave that way but if there's a trend, this social one may be a factor?  |
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« Reply #1685 on: Saturday, March 28, 2020, 18:08:42 » |
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Italy and Spain are Catholic. They have big families that are close to each other .
That's my take with absolutely no research whatsoever to back it up
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« Reply #1686 on: Saturday, March 28, 2020, 18:17:27 » |
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Italy and Spain are Catholic. They have big families that are close to each other .
That's my take with absolutely no research whatsoever to back it up
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« Reply #1687 on: Saturday, March 28, 2020, 18:50:48 » |
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Can see some correlation there PV but I'm not fully convinced... Indonesia has about 90 deaths Turkey 75 deaths Paraguay 3 deaths Uruguay 0 deaths c250 cases I highlight Uruguay because it's internationally recognised as a place where smoking is actively encouraged in the young by Big Tobacco. Bloomberg has been trying to sue them for their "advertising standards" over there - using his own money. He's been trying to do so for at least 10 years as much as I know. But all of those above have high smoking rates so I guess like anything, it's a usual matter of extracting the data they want to develop on; in order to produce the story/findings they want to lead us to. In any case - always a good time for anyone to quit. On Covid-19, I'd say Netherlands must be panicking. They have c9.75k cases with c700 deaths. UK has c17k cases with c1k deaths. Belgium interestingly as their next door neighbours have c7.5k cases with c300 deaths. Netherlands having a population of around 17.5m puts their D per 1m P (Death per 1m pop.) at 40. UKs is 15 (based on 1020d/68m). Which leads back round to smoking. Of course we know there are a lot of smokers (herbal) in the Netherlands. I do wonder if social stereotyping has a role to play here too. The Dutch are very "free" open, relaxed and friendly, Italians are very touchy feely etc. The Spanish (esp in the South) are very accepting. Germans tend to know and respect personal space a bit more. I'm not saying everyone from those countries behave that way but if there's a trend, this social one may be a factor? The variations in the amount of testing(and in some cases the honesty of the reporting) make comparisons between countries in death rates pretty much pointless. |
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« Reply #1688 on: Saturday, March 28, 2020, 19:37:21 » |
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« Reply #1689 on: Saturday, March 28, 2020, 19:48:59 » |
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The variations in the amount of testing(and in some cases the honesty of the reporting) make comparisons between countries in death rates pretty much pointless.
As has been explained many times by the scientist but it doesn't stop people doing it. |
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« Reply #1690 on: Saturday, March 28, 2020, 19:54:36 » |
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Bamboo in pointless post shocker Without Ill informed commentary, this forum would cease to exist. |
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« Reply #1691 on: Saturday, March 28, 2020, 19:57:36 » |
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I can only use the data that is available i'm afraid. The point still stands that social stereotypying and behaviours, Nation to Nation could well be ONE factor in spread of cases. I don't know if there is a study in progress but from the outset there is a trend naturally where communities/families tend to spend more time together. The UK isn't so "close" with one another nationally. In fact this whole self-isolating thing should be a walk in the park for many. In our modern society not many fuckers spend time talking to random people or helping a neighbour. We had started to live a more mundane/isolatory/i'm alright Jack style of life for several years now and something like Brexit (regardless of choice) divided us further. Our larger Cities will of course see the brunt of cases, especially nodnoL, Brum, Manc & Liv. Unfortunately the more pop per sqm (some 9m in Greater London alone) comes with it more deaths, naturally  Metropolis of the 4 Cities stated above account for c26m people, that's around 40% of the UK population in those areas alone. If there are any trends you want to follow, be thankful if you live in a quieter Town or Village. Would not want to be anywhere near London right now and I think of my friends (and TEFers) who do live there. |
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« Reply #1692 on: Saturday, March 28, 2020, 20:02:05 » |
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 The line to notice on those images being released is the bottom one " of those hospitalised " Implying only those who die in hospital are officially counted as only hospitalised are tested. |
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« Reply #1693 on: Saturday, March 28, 2020, 20:14:49 » |
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A fella that, thankfully, recovered from being seriously ill with the virus showed signs when he attended the League Cup Final.
Just shows how easy it has been for this fucking thing to spread exponentially.
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« Reply #1694 on: Saturday, March 28, 2020, 20:29:31 » |
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So that gives us 0.84% (of the tested cases to reported deaths) and if we factor all potential/unreported/unknown UK cases by upto 10x it pushes it to 0.084% (cases to reported deaths).
It's not nice to be number crunching live death data at all but it is important all the same.
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