Coronavirus

[Flashheart]

but equally I wonder if along with that choice there might be some kind of trade off. So you are quite free to choose not to take the vaccine, but don't expect to, for example, be going to the theatre or a football match if you don't have a certificate to say you have been vaccinated.

Which was another suggestion I made.

People want the right to choose whether or not to be vaccinated? OK!
Don't make vaccines mandatory, but let's allow other people (the majority) the right to choose to be in a safe environment.

I don't know how practical that would be or how it could be enforced. That's best left to the experts the like the governm... somebody else.

[horlock07]

As a lay person, 9 months does not sound like a substantial period of time.

I will still make up my own mind.  I didn't automatically follow John Selwyn Gummer's lead after he fed beef burgers to his kids in the early 1990s.

My understanding is there are two elements where concerns are being raised (Peculiarly often my the same people (not you) or also kicked up a stink about lockdowns) firstly the type of vax it is (mRNA) and secondly the vax itself.

In the first case specifically the 'new' type of mRNA vaccine, whilst the C-19vax is the first time this method has been put forward for approval in a large scale programme there is literally decades of research and testing in the background regarding the methodology, the fact that it has finally come to market now is little more than a coincidence, thus the idea that this is some sort of untried and rushed method is rather a nonsense.

WRT to the vax contents itself I would be more cautious, but as noted it seems many in the scientific community are comfortably and cautiously optimistic (based upon knowing what was in it for a long time and various peer reviewed papers and updated research) and in these fast moving times based upon risk assessments I have done in my head that will have to do for now.

I note your point regarding Gummer, albeit I suspect you hadn't know him personally for 30+ years in making that personal judgement.

Ultimately thankfully I don't have to make any decisions regarding compulsion, I would probably prefer it to be avoided but there will be those who have much more data than I who can do that, much as with MMR its up to those involved, albeit if people refuse it they rather abdicate the right to then moan if their families catch it and perish.

You can lead a horse to water and all that......

[pauld]

WRT to the vax contents itself I would be more cautious, but as noted it seems many in the scientific community are comfortably and cautiously optimistic (based upon knowing what was in it for a long time and various peer reviewed papers and updated research) and in these fast moving times based upon risk assessments I have done in my head that will have to do for now.

Yeah, right, scientific community, peer-reviewed BULLSHIT! Everyone knows it's full of 5G and them little radio chips so that Bill Gates can track you and kill your kids. Or summat.

[horlock07]

Yeah, right, scientific community, peer-reviewed BULLSHIT! Everyone knows it's full of 5G and them little radio chips so that Bill Gates can track you and kill your kids. Or summat.

Typed into your iPhone whilst you are connected to 5G obviously!

Anyway I'm off to buy shares in Bacofoil!

[JBZ]

My understanding is there are two elements where concerns are being raised (Peculiarly often my the same people (not you) or also kicked up a stink about lockdowns) firstly the type of vax it is (mRNA) and secondly the vax itself.

In the first case specifically the 'new' type of mRNA vaccine, whilst the C-19vax is the first time this method has been put forward for approval in a large scale programme there is literally decades of research and testing in the background regarding the methodology, the fact that it has finally come to market now is little more than a coincidence, thus the idea that this is some sort of untried and rushed method is rather a nonsense.

WRT to the vax contents itself I would be more cautious, but as noted it seems many in the scientific community are comfortably and cautiously optimistic (based upon knowing what was in it for a long time and various peer reviewed papers and updated research) and in these fast moving times based upon risk assessments I have done in my head that will have to do for now.

I note your point regarding Gummer, albeit I suspect you hadn't know him personally for 30+ years in making that personal judgement.

Ultimately thankfully I don't have to make any decisions regarding compulsion, I would probably prefer it to be avoided but there will be those who have much more data than I who can do that, much as with MMR its up to those involved, albeit if people refuse it they rather abdicate the right to then moan if their families catch it and perish.

You can lead a horse to water and all that......

I note what you say.  I am pleased to say that I have complied with all restrictions/guidelines and have had no problem with that- particularly as I currently live with 2 elderly relatives. However, I feel uncomfortable with suggestions that one might be compelled to receive a/this vaccine.

[suttonred]

Thing is this vaccine is not a new thing, people speak almost as if its emerged overnight with no one having a clue what is in it or what it does. Most medics have been aware of its contents and the methodology for c.9 months during which time it has been debated at length and peer reviewed.

Each to their own and all that, my simple test is to ask my mate who knows what he is talking about having had 20+ years medical experience whether he will be vaccinated and as importantly will his kids be, he says yes, that will do for me.

Isn't it a viagra derivative? Or did I make that up? If it is it's better have side effects, as the wife will be volunteering me first up.

[horlock07]

Isn't it a viagra derivative? Or did I make that up? If it is it's better have side effects, as the wife will be volunteering me first up.

I think the only link to Viagra is that both are made by Pfizer and good for the elderly!

[Jimmy HaveHave]

What's the current guidelines regarding sleeping over in England as neighbours currently have 3 boyfriends coming & going and not living there

[Matchworn Shirts]

What's the current guidelines regarding sleeping over in England as neighbours currently have 3 boyfriends coming & going and not living there

I suppose they could argue they are providing a vital service

[Jimmy HaveHave]

I suppose they could argue they are providing a vital service

 

[pauld]

Some guy has collated Prof Devi Sridhar's tweets from around Jan commenting on COVID and where the UK was going wrong in it's initial response and later handling of the pandemic. It's well worth a read especially for the "No-one could have anticipated ..." posters. Public health experts did and gave the right advice on what needed doing. They just weren't listened to. No hindsight required.

https://twitter.com/raging_steel/status/1325934777220870144

[The Grim Reaper]

Why do some people who want the vaccine concerned by others that don’t? Surely if you choose to be vaccinated and it works then you are no longer at risk from those who chose not to vaccinate.

[Jimmy HaveHave]

Why do some people who want the vaccine concerned by others that don’t? Surely if you choose to be vaccinated and it works then you are no longer at risk from those who chose not to vaccinate.

I definitely want it and the ones who don't can fight it off between themselves
 

[pauld]

Why do some people who want the vaccine concerned by others that don’t? Surely if you choose to be vaccinated and it works then you are no longer at risk from those who chose not to vaccinate.

Because unless those people isolate themselves until the disease is eradicated they still operate as vectors of transmission and so mean it takes longer to eradicate (or contain to minimal extent) the disease. Which means we continue to have to live with the other measures used to contain the disease. Surely by now people have realised this disease is not an individual issue, it can only be fought by collective measures?

[horlock07]

Because unless those people isolate themselves until the disease is eradicated they still operate as vectors of transmission and so mean it takes longer to eradicate (or contain to minimal extent) the disease. Which means we continue to have to live with the other measures used to contain the disease. Surely by now people have realised this disease is not an individual issue, it can only be fought by collective measures?

Biggest worry for those in the vaccination programme is people being vaccinated and then assuming immediately that they can go straight back to normal.