Coronavirus

[Batch]

Hopefully it will be a bit more nuanced than last time, taking into account the greater knowledge we now have (e.g. much lower risk of transmission outdoors should mean we don't need to halt all organised sports again)

You'd hope so.

I was surprised the "rule of 6" covered outdoors to be honest.

[pauld]

You'd hope so.

I was surprised the "rule of 6" covered outdoors to be honest.

Well tbf, it's not like being outdoors is a complete prevention. If you've got 5000 people all jammed together for 2 hours, like at a gig for example, that's still a huge risk of exposure. It's combinations of duration of exposure, distance, and ventilation that offset/increase risk. Oh and obviously it's completely safe if you're shooting grouse

[Arriba]

This was always going to happen as soon as the pubs opened. Social distancing doesn't happen in them. Then there's the house parties. Trips to the races on the bus etc. Cramped workplaces.

[pauld]

This was always going to happen as soon as the pubs opened. Social distancing doesn't happen in them. Then there's the house parties. Trips to the races on the bus etc. Cramped workplaces.

TBF it didn't happen as soon as the pubs opened. The pubs reopened in early July, the rate of increase in infections started to pick up in late August/early September. Pubs will be a factor, but the insistence on getting people back to work in offices and Eat Out only applying to (ironically) eating in during August will all have played a part. And kids returning to school of course.

[Mister Lorenzo]

I also do not understand those who say the number of deaths are vastly over-reported & that 'hardly anybody has really died of it"
While the governement daily statistics are highly inaccurate, these people do not want to seem to address the issue of the 55,000+ excess deaths and how these have arisen

If my simplistic understanding is correct most of the 55,000 excess deaths are a bit of a red herring!
Apparently last winters death rate due to normal flu was incredibly low compared with recent years, so Covid comes along earlier this year and kills those that would likely have died last year due to normal flu, something called the "dry tinder" effect.....

[Batch]

that's probably why they use a 5 year average

[Flashheart]

[Arriba]

TBF it didn't happen as soon as the pubs opened. The pubs reopened in early July, the rate of increase in infections started to pick up in late August/early September. Pubs will be a factor, but the insistence on getting people back to work in offices and Eat Out only applying to (ironically) eating in during August will all have played a part. And kids returning to school of course.

But people's behaviour changed and the social distancing went out of the window in pubs and has escalated making it spread. Granted not initially but it's grown and it's a big factor in my opinion. People have got complacent. Agree with your other points.

[pauld]

Saw that earlier, it's a corker. According to her twitter bio she specialises in positive thinking, fashion and gardening. So, eminently qualified to know more about "science data and logic" than Whitty and Vallance. I hope they're suitably ashamed of themselves.

[Flashheart]

From where I'm sitting, Cumming's eye-test jolly appeared to be the turning point in general.

[Mister Lorenzo]

I'm really no expert but if you get time have a watch of this

[Saxondale]

Well thats me convinced.  

Hang on, who?  Maybe Ill wait until I see what advice Van Morrison gives me.

[pauld]

But people's behaviour changed and the social distancing went out of the window in pubs and has escalated making it spread. Granted not initially but it's grown and it's a big factor in my opinion. People have got complacent. Agree with your other points.

Yes, agree there. But that was as much about the messaging as anything else, same with the "Boris has saved the summer holidays" bollocks No 10 were pushing, all about "Yeah, we're on top of this and it's fine". Pubs and socialising indoors generally are a big factor, but complacency in all indoor settings is a massive problem. Hence why they needed to roll out Whitty and Vallance today to deliver a serious warning in proper grown up talk.

[pauld]

I'm really no expert but if you get time have a watch of this

Yeah we should definitely get information from pseudoscience crackpots on YouTube. Right up there with ladytereska, nice one.

[Costanza]

Yeah we should definitely get information from pseudoscience crackpots on YouTube. Right up there with ladytereska, nice one.

Sounds like Graham Norton on the day that he just gives up.