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« Reply #5385 on: Thursday, August 6, 2020, 19:31:36 »

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« Reply #5386 on: Thursday, August 6, 2020, 22:35:01 »


Northern Italy had been added to the list of countries identified on 25th February which meant call 101 Covid helpline on return and then told to self isolate for 14 days. As stated on the timeline, this was withdrawn on 13th March to be replaced by 7 days self isolation if you had symptoms. Our group decided to go skiing on 8th, had one days skiing before Italy closed down. The change to avoid all but essential travel fame a day late on the 9th to enable insurance claims in lieu of travelling.
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« Reply #5387 on: Monday, August 10, 2020, 22:10:15 »

pubs and shops. if they cant manage their customers and enforce safe distances pull the plug on them.

shop staff- stop chatting and laughing with your colleagues and learn to distance yourselves. why do customers where masks when you dont have to? we protect you and not vice versa?

silly times we live in
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« Reply #5388 on: Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 07:06:30 »

Did you happen to see the anti masker refusing to wear a mask and bullying the shop assistant to the point of tears that was doing the rounds recently? 

The government have issued a decree and put it into the hands of poorly paid shop staff to police it.  'You must wear masks and social distance'.  'yeah ok or what happens'.  'I dunno, a teenager on minimum wage will make you.'

Who is going to 'pull the plug' on them?

Im not saying you are wrong in all cases but this type of thing is not black and white.
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« Reply #5389 on: Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 07:46:09 »

Did you happen to see the anti masker refusing to wear a mask and bullying the shop assistant to the point of tears that was doing the rounds recently? 

The government have issued a decree and put it into the hands of poorly paid shop staff to police it.  'You must wear masks and social distance'.  'yeah ok or what happens'.  'I dunno, a teenager on minimum wage will make you.'

Who is going to 'pull the plug' on them?

Im not saying you are wrong in all cases but this type of thing is not black and white.

I don't think they are supposed to challenge people not wearing masks, are they? The reason being that you can't always tell if somebody is disabled, or has breathing difficulties or anxiety associated with covering their face.
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« Reply #5390 on: Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 07:55:34 »

Did you happen to see the anti masker refusing to wear a mask and bullying the shop assistant to the point of tears that was doing the rounds recently? 

The government have issued a decree and put it into the hands of poorly paid shop staff to police it.  'You must wear masks and social distance'.  'yeah ok or what happens'.  'I dunno, a teenager on minimum wage will make you.'

Who is going to 'pull the plug' on them?

Im not saying you are wrong in all cases but this type of thing is not black and white.

im talking about the reverse- the lack of give a fuck by colleagues and that barely any wear masks themselves. a lot of places like garages have a security man enforcing masks then you have staff on the floor walking around you without.

 referring to pubs that are packed out with everyone at the bar queuing. enforce a system that works like table service only or be shut. how the fuck did a nightclub in Preston manage to open, then the whole area got locked down. was it worth it?

they either need to find a way to do it properly or risk being shut again. more name and shaming should be done
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« Reply #5391 on: Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 12:44:58 »

It's about social cues and reminders.

I know it's a bit of an odd comparison to use Disney here, although given the state of Florida maybe not, but I did visit Disney Springs a couple of months back when things had originally settled down a bit.  The sheer overload of reminders that masks were necessary to be in the area was impossible to miss.  From the original checkpoint on entry to signage, to staff ALL wearing them, to staff giving little reminders in casual conversation, to the degree of social pressure you then felt when you forgot to put it on after food and thought everyone was looking at you once you remembered something was missing.

Same State, different experience - Walmart.  A number of staff not wearing masks, nobody really checking on entry, very little signage to remind you, plenty of shoppers without them.  Given some of the stories about people brandishing guns, I can well imagine the staff are not keen to be police officers, but Disney showed how subtle reminders can do just as good a job.
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« Reply #5392 on: Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 13:14:21 »

Right we can all stand down, Russia have sorted it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53735718
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« Reply #5393 on: Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 13:25:19 »

im talking about the reverse- the lack of give a fuck by colleagues and that barely any wear masks themselves. a lot of places like garages have a security man enforcing masks then you have staff on the floor walking around you without.
The legislation does not require staff to wear masks, only customers. It's an odd anomaly and not sure why it was done that way, but not the staff's fault
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« Reply #5394 on: Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 08:43:10 »

It gets better and better https://bylinetimes.com/2020/08/10/companies-linked-to-exclusive-brethren-evangelical-sect-awarded-hundreds-of-millions-of-ppe-government-contracts/
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« Reply #5395 on: Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 09:02:04 »


Yeah.

But migrants.
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« Reply #5396 on: Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 09:33:14 »

Yeah.

But migrants.

I was talking to someone about this yesterday, whilst the migrant thing is acting as a wonderful dead cat for the government its rather fallen into their lap rather than of their own making.

The background to the present kefuffle is Farage trying to make himself relevant again with him little home movies, which has gained much traction in those parts of the media who know that misery for people who aren't British sells, thus its become big news with little government input at first.

At which stage the government had to be seen to be doing something, so we have had Patel rolling up in Dover wittering on about the Navy (although what she wants them to do that Border Force aren't, who knows, perhaps shell rubber dinghy's full of kids) now the RAF being dragged in and Johnson suggesting that everyone in the boats is illegal.

Its actually making the government look a bit shit in the eyes of their more ENP inspired supporters at the moment as Farage is continuing to exploit.

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« Reply #5397 on: Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 09:40:32 »

I was talking to someone about this yesterday, whilst the migrant thing is acting as a wonderful dead cat for the government its rather fallen into their lap rather than of their own making.

The background to the present kefuffle is Farage trying to make himself relevant again with him little home movies, which has gained much traction in those parts of the media who know that misery for people who aren't British sells, thus its become big news with little government input at first.

At which stage the government had to be seen to be doing something, so we have had Patel rolling up in Dover wittering on about the Navy (although what she wants them to do that Border Force aren't, who knows, perhaps shell rubber dinghy's full of kids) now the RAF being dragged in and Johnson suggesting that everyone in the boats is illegal.

Its actually making the government look a bit shit in the eyes of their more ENP inspired supporters at the moment as Farage is continuing to exploit.
Although it's a political choice for them to try to out-Farage Farage. They could just say "Fuck off, non-story, the country is facing bigger issues right now" and for once look like actual grown-ups who are trying to run the country at a time of grave crisis. Rather than exploiting genuine human misery to pander to the worst instincts of the worst elements of the media and political class.
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« Reply #5398 on: Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 09:45:13 »

Although it's a political choice for them to try to out-Farage Farage. They could just say "Fuck off, non-story, the country is facing bigger issues right now" and for once look like actual grown-ups who are trying to run the country at a time of grave crisis. Rather than exploiting genuine human misery to pander to the worst instincts of the worst elements of the media and political class.


They are never going to say non-story as its a matter which is close to the heart of the majority of their support, once again it just shows the hold Farage has over them as much of their support was only lent at the back end of last year.

Cannot remember where I read it, but someone made a pretty good point regarding the fact that even in the red wall seats where former Labour voters went over to the blue side you don't have to scratch said voters very hard to find racism bubbling under the surface.
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« Reply #5399 on: Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 09:49:54 »

tbf most of this stuff re migrants should be in the politics thread. My bad as well, should have replied there
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