Coronavirus

[pauld]

Again questions need to be asked about the press and where they are getting their info or just making shit up as was everywhere this morning saying it was going to be reduced to 60 percent.

They get it from off the record briefings from "No 10 sources", like the "Freedom Monday" shit we saw last week that allowed Cummings to essentially trial public reaction to a much looser lifting of lockdown. The problem is not so much that the press are making shit up as allowing No 10 to get away with this kind of unattributed "govt sources" spin which it seems in this instance was used to throw a curveball at the opposition (and more fool them for falling for it). Kuenssberg and Peston in particular seem to so value their inside track with Cummings that they pretty much regard themselves as his mouthpieces

[Banker]

Staggering the sum of money being borrowed to keep the country more or less in a lockdown situation - apart for it being a longstanding dept - who is holding the tab for the 300 billion? curious to know how this works...anyone know??

With a sovereign currency, and central bank, I'm anticipating a new round of Quantitative Easing any time soon. National debt will go through the roof (about £2 trillion already) and servicing that takes out around 85% of gdp currently, but it was 250% of gdp after six years of WW2, so there is still scope. Managing inflation will be the next problem, but inflation always chips away at the debt in real terms !

[theakston2k]

They get it from off the record briefings from "No 10 sources", like the "Freedom Monday" shit we saw last week that allowed Cummings to essentially trial public reaction to a much looser lifting of lockdown. The problem is not so much that the press are making shit up as allowing No 10 to get away with this kind of unattributed "govt sources" spin which it seems in this instance was used to throw a curveball at the opposition (and more fool them for falling for it). Kuenssberg and Peston in particular seem to so value their inside track with Cummings that they pretty much regard themselves as his mouthpieces

Or alternatively it could have been made up by Labour with all the tweets from the likes of John McDonnell and Richard Burgon about it to further turn people against the government. Either way don’t believe things until it is actually announced!

[pauld]

Or alternatively it could have been made up by Labour with all the tweets from the likes of John McDonnell and Richard Burgon about it to further turn people against the government.

1) The story was carried by the media before Labour MPs began tweeting it.
2) It was carried by the right wing press who are not often given to acting as soft outlets for the likes of McDonnell and Burgon
3) Neither are Labour front benchers any more. They are however, gullible for tweeting on the back of "sources say" stories for reasons I outlined above.

[theakston2k]

1) The story was carried by the media before Labour MPs began tweeting it.
2) It was carried by the right wing press who are not often given to acting as soft outlets for the likes of McDonnell and Burgon
3) Neither are Labour front benchers any more. They are however, gullible for tweeting on the back of "sources say" stories for reasons I outlined above.

Well Burgons now claiming responsibility for making the government keep it at 80% so wouldn’t rule them out!

[pauld]

FT have run their analysis on the latest ONS stats. Bearing in mind those stats lag by a week or so, horrifyingly they now show that over 50,000 people have died during the Covid19 outbreak in the UK than would usually be the case i.e. excess mortality which the govt and their chief scientific advisers accept is the only meaningful way of measuring the impact of the pandemic and the response to it


https://twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/1260147122369892352

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending1may2020#deaths-registered-in-the-uk

On the upside (insofar as you can have an upside for 50,000 people dying) the data does show that deaths have passed the peak and are continuing to fall.

FT have updated their extrapolated figures to date for total excess deaths. Just shy of 60,000. No wonder the govt decided today would be a good day to get the furlough announcement out.

https://twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/1260251993479745536

[Peter Venkman]

FFS.

https://www.wiltshire999s.co.uk/mass-gatherings-in-protest-of-unlawful-lockdown-arranged-for-swindon/

[Sippo]

FFS.

https://www.wiltshire999s.co.uk/mass-gatherings-in-protest-of-unlawful-lockdown-arranged-for-swindon/

Scumbags. They obviously don't know anyone who has been infected or seen the aftermath of all this. Do these people not see the horrific photos from hospitals.

[Peter Venkman]

Even now the utter selfishness of some people horrifies me.

[Sippo]

Schools will not reopen on June 1st. There will be a second spike before then. The way people are going, it will be sooner rather than later.

These are sad times.

[4D]

FFS.

https://www.wiltshire999s.co.uk/mass-gatherings-in-protest-of-unlawful-lockdown-arranged-for-swindon/

Anyone organising or distributing this sort of shite should be dealt with.

[Peter Venkman]

Anyone organising or distributing this sort of shite should be dealt with.

I agree totally, apparently its a country wide thing now with gatherings planned in all major towns and cities, I hope the vast majority of people see it as the idiotis thing that it is and don't take part.

If people do indeed take part then hopefully the police will act suitably.

[Flashheart]

If it's 'unlawful', then why not have it challenged in court?

Or do they maybe not understand the meaning of the word, or are just trying to whip people up into a ill-informed frenzy.

[4D]

Why would you protest against something that is in place to save lives? Dumb fucks.

[Sippo]

I agree totally, apparently its a country wide thing now with gatherings planned in all major towns and cities, I hope the vast majority of people see it as the idiotis thing that it is and don't take part.

If people do indeed take part then hopefully the police will act suitably.

The problem is that the police have clearly said they are struggling to cope.