Coronavirus

[BambooToTheFuture]

Catch 22 with the weather. Want shitty weather so people stay indoors but also the sooner warmer weather comes the more chance this has of weakening it. Those proteins don't like the hotter stuff. Being the UK though we'll likely end up with some kind of incubating, thriving temp of 15/18c. We need mid 20c but even then people should still stay at home.

On the matter of Hydroxychloroquine or other Malaria tablets, while it may help a bunch of contracted cases, people should not be going out buying it (USA via Trump, I'm pointing at you). It is still uncertain and has chances of effecting people who have even minor heart conditions in a negative way. Caution to be exercised. If some very clever team can work on using part of the drug while diminishing the risks then we may well have something to work towards.

[Batch]

brilliant timing of Royal London to cancel my unemployment protection.

actually it's the underwriters, but RL have known since fucking November it was going into windown.

obviously nobody is offering insurance now.

cunts.

[Nemo]

brilliant timing of Royal London to cancel my unemployment protection.

actually it's the underwriters, but RL have known since fucking November it was going into windown.

obviously nobody is offering insurance now.

cunts.

That sounds like one for the newspaper money columns.

[Batch]

indeed. the letter did add "we'll see what we can do..." at the end of said letter.. so I'll wait and see if they temporarily underwrite..

Insurance companies are usually do generous too.

oddly I'm not worried about CV 19 taking my job. but the company is project based which currently ends in September (come on extension!)

[pauld]

On the flip side I just had a stranger walk past my house and moan at me for being out cutting the grass in my front garden as it’s an ‘unnecessary reason to be out of the house and putting people at risk’. I told him where to go as it’s just a completely stupid and antagonistic interpretation of the guidance, I’ve no time for people that think they can use this for some kind of power trip. He walked off muttering something like he was going to get an opinion from the police... I’ll probably get shamed on Twitter later as that seems a thing now as well.

I’m all for complying with the guidance but morons like this do more harm than good in terms of people sticking to it.

If said dickhead returns (or manages to find a police officer as stupid as himself), you might find p 20 of this guide to the regulations for Police Forces in England useful. It was written by one of the leading chambers specialising in Police Law in the UK

https://5essexcourt.co.uk/images/uploads/articles/Coronavirus_-_A_Guide_for_Police_Forces_in_England_.pdf

"Regulation 6(1)provides that:“During the emergency period, no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.”

73.For  the  purposes  of regulation  6(1), the “place where a person is living” includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises (r.6(3))"

[pauld]

On the matter of Hydroxychloroquine or other Malaria tablets, while it may help a bunch of contracted cases, people should not be going out buying it (USA via Trump, I'm pointing at you). It is still uncertain and has chances of effecting people who have even minor heart conditions in a negative way. Caution to be exercised. If some very clever team can work on using part of the drug while diminishing the risks then we may well have something to work towards.

There's already been several deaths of healthy people in the US from side effects of taking chloroquine after listening to Trump's witterings

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-chloroquine-self-medication-kills-man.html

Darwin Awards right there.

[theakston2k]

If said dickhead returns (or manages to find a police officer as stupid as himself), you might find p 20 of this guide to the regulations for Police Forces in England useful. It was written by one of the leading chambers specialising in Police Law in the UK

https://5essexcourt.co.uk/images/uploads/articles/Coronavirus_-_A_Guide_for_Police_Forces_in_England_.pdf

"Regulation 6(1)provides that:“During the emergency period, no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.”

73.For  the  purposes  of regulation  6(1), the “place where a person is living” includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises (r.6(3))"

I don’t think it would be hard to find a copper as stupid as him to be honest. Mark Cassidy got stopped by the police last week and told his work wasn’t essential so shouldn’t be working. Not sure how he could maintain a football pitch remotely and it’s not something that can just be left as it would be ruined....

[pauld]

I don’t think it would be hard to find a copper as stupid as him to be honest. Mark Cassidy got stopped by the police last week and told his work wasn’t essential so shouldn’t be working. Not sure how he could maintain a football pitch remotely and it’s not something that can just be left as it would be ruined....

TBF to the copper, I'd blame that on the lack of clarity in the govt's communication about this. They dithered over whether it was "essential travel for work" or "travel for essential work". There's a difference. Think that's why the barristers referenced above have produced that guide, it's quite useful. It also makes it clear that the regulations do not prohibit you driving somewhere to take exercise, although obviously common sense dictates that if 300 families descend on Coate Water at the weekend it's going to be impossible to maintain social distancing

[theakston2k]

TBF to the copper, I'd blame that on the lack of clarity in the govt's communication about this. They dithered over whether it was "essential travel for work" or "travel for essential work". There's a difference. Think that's why the barristers referenced above have produced that guide, it's quite useful. It also makes it clear that the regulations do not prohibit you driving somewhere to take exercise, although obviously common sense dictates that if 300 families descend on Coate Water at the weekend it's going to be impossible to maintain social distancing

True but I do think this is a dream for the more jobs worth coppers who like to poke their noses into everything. I saw some criticising people for buying compost with their shopping when if they are using it to grow their own fruit or veg this should be encouraged.

[Arriba]

Apart from sporting occasions - football, dogs - I have never chosen to go to Oxford.

Shame on you!

Work. Though I do like to visit. Some great museums there.

[StfcRusty]

Catch 22 with the weather. Want shitty weather so people stay indoors but also the sooner warmer weather comes the more chance this has of weakening it. Those proteins don't like the hotter stuff. Being the UK though we'll likely end up with some kind of incubating, thriving temp of 15/18c. We need mid 20c but even then people should still stay at home.

On the matter of Hydroxychloroquine or other Malaria tablets, while it may help a bunch of contracted cases, people should not be going out buying it (USA via Trump, I'm pointing at you). It is still uncertain and has chances of effecting people who have even minor heart conditions in a negative way. Caution to be exercised. If some very clever team can work on using part of the drug while diminishing the risks then we may well have something to work towards.

I thought they said there was no evidence a change in weather would make any difference to the virus?

[Bogus Dave]

I’m not a scientist, but surely the fact it’s been killing people in both hemispheres at the same time means the weather argument doesn’t really hold up

[BambooToTheFuture]

I thought they said there was no evidence a change in weather would make any difference to the virus?

I'm saying it will be a factor in weakening the virus.

See the lipids (or the fat) that envelop the proteins, harden like a resin in cooler temps, thus stabilises the proteins. In hotter conditions and higher humidity, the lipid coating recedes and the corona (the protein fronds) become more unstable and more susceptible to breaking down. In this sense, the time it can last or "survive" (we have to remember it isn't bacteria and isn't living) on a surface is much less. For any protein to remain active it has to be enveloped (subsequently, native unenveloped proteins have not been found in viruses or bacteria). If one loses stability, the copy decreases and replication drops. Which is what we want to happen.

Outside of the body and airborne projection then becomes a more difficult condition for a Coronavirus. In this sense, it is likely we will then get an endemic or seasonal version of this SARS-CoV-2. Which of course is then easier to track, predict and control.

There was a study written about 11 years ago, that I was reading around 7/8 years ago so some of this sticks out and I can remember some but forgive me if it's not completely accurate, however one final point is the denaturation. So as you may be aware SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA strand as opposed to a DNA strand. It tends to be that RNA denatures at around 18c. If it's cultured...which we are hoping it isn't (unless you're on the conspiracy theory fence) the RNA denaturation is higher at about 25c.

Wish I could find the study and actually quote it. It might be (should be) online. I read mine in "real" paper format.

But don't take my word for it, I'm just a nobody who likes deconstructed pear based desserts 

Again, it's mentioned with caution but external conditions will be a factor in helping to break down and weaken the virus. If Boris et al indeed is hiding in a fridge - he'd be better of getting in a Sauna.

[suttonred]

I’m not a scientist, but surely the fact it’s been killing people in both hemispheres at the same time means the weather argument doesn’t really hold up

I'd agree, Spain has been unseasonably hot with temps over 30 degrees. Truth is they don't really know.

[JBZ]

I understood that that the weather could have some form of impact but if you dispense with social distancing and other related measures any impact is inevitably diminished.  Time will tell no doubt.