European Elections 23rd May

[Costanza]

I must be in one of those 'bubbles' as I expected big turnouts - 36% Swindon and 44% Wiltshire Council areas isn't exactly great.

[chalkies_shorts]

There are a hell of a lot of people who don't give a fuck if we stay or go. There are then a lot of people who have an opinion but just want it over even if it doesn't go their way.

[jayohaitchenn]

36% turnout in Swindon.

Where have you seen that CS?

[chalkies_shorts]

Where have you seen that CS?

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17664435.eu-votes-at-to-do/

[pauld]

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17664435.eu-votes-at-to-do/

"A spokesman for Swindon Borough Council said it recorded between 40 and 450 calls form people who weren't able to vote". I'm assuming the 450 is the standard Adver shoddiness and it's a typo for 45 (like form/from, Jesus they are crap), but even so, how do SBC not know how many calls they recorded? Unless they didn't actually take a record at all, but just guessed? Shit either way.

[pauld]

There are then a lot of people who have an opinion but just want it over even if it doesn't go their way.

This is me, exactly. Just get it done one way or the other so we can start the process of reassembling something from the mess

[chalkies_shorts]

This is me, exactly. Just get it done one way or the other so we can start the process of reassembling something from the mess

Although a strong advocate of leave I'm pretty much there.   Sometimes I think just fucking stay which is better than Mays deal. Then I think, no fuck off, I feel dirty because that's what the establishment clearly wants.
At some stage someone is going to have to be honest. Revoke and fuck off the 52% or no deal leave and fuck off the 48%. I appreciate there are shades of grey in between but someone just fucking do it and lets move on.
If someone in the UK doesn't do it then hopefully the EU say no extensions and decision done by end October.
Brexit gets blamed for a lot of things but brexit uncertainty is even worse.
Cameron and may have a lot to answer for and Corbyn is just as bad the useless indecisive shitcunt.

[Reg Smeeton]

Although a strong advocate of leave I'm pretty much there.   Sometimes I think just fucking stay which is better than Mays deal. Then I think, no fuck off, I feel dirty because that's what the establishment clearly wants.
At some stage someone is going to have to be honest. Revoke and fuck off the 52% or no deal leave and fuck off the 48%. I appreciate there are shades of grey in between but someone just fucking do it and lets move on.
If someone in the UK doesn't do it then hopefully the EU say no extensions and decision done by end October.
Brexit gets blamed for a lot of things but brexit uncertainty is even worse.
Cameron and may have a lot to answer for and Corbyn is just as bad the useless indecisive shitcunt.

What you need to remember is that this has been about the internal politics of the Tories from the start, and still is, but now events are probably spiralling out of control.  With that in mind, in the interests of the country, there should be a GE providing the opportunity to remove them.

Atm we see a rump group of remain Tory MP's threatening dire consequences if Johnson gets the nod, so it will be interesting to see if they put up or shut up, if it happens.

[chalkies_shorts]

If a GE was called tomorrow I wouldn't be surprised to see farage get in, mandate or no mandate. If he could get a third of the vote he'd be in. The ultimate protest vote. The time is absolutely perfect for him or a more centrist party but change UK have fucked up to may proportions. Tories are fucked and labour have move away from a lot of their traditional supporters.

[Abrahammer]

A lot of people voting for him this week would go back to their natural home for a general election, as shown with previous euro elections compared to GE’s. The remaining hardcore Farage fanboys will then be spread too thin across the country to get more than a handful of seats at the most. As shown in 2015 when 12% of the vote got them 1 seat.

[Ardiles]

The 'get it done' argument misses the point.  Brexit is not an event.  It's a process that will take years.  The initial withdrawal is simply the starting gun being fired.  We would then face years, perhaps even a decade or two, of renegotiation to reconfigure our existing arrangements with the rest of the world...all in order to make ourselves less prosperous and less well heard than we are now.

What's even more galling is that it will then fall to our children to undo the damage.  That too will take years.  So I'm making sure that my kids understand now that I opposed this nonsense from the start.

[BambooToTheFuture]

The day that man gets anywhere near office is the day I'll leave the UK (if not before). He's a Jester (a very good one, I'll admit), like Boris. To them it is all a big game of 'Soggy Biscuit' and boy have they been jizzing themselves lately.

The irony is that anyone who would potentially vote for Farage (or his party) in a GE might as well stand on a cliff, with a huge salmon and slap themselves in the face with it - essentially it's suicide. Largely, I'm talking about a good chunk of blokes in their mid 50s to mid 60s, who benefitted from a slightly easier economic time and drawing fairly good pensions. Now those kind of voters are pretty much shitting on their own offspring and their grandkids to boot.

Fucking, lemmings (was a good game mind).

[Legends-Lounge]

What you need to remember is that this has been about the internal politics of the Tories from the start, and still is, but now events are probably spiralling out of control.  With that in mind, in the interests of the country, there should be a GE providing the opportunity to remove them.

Atm we see a rump group of remain Tory MP's threatening dire consequences if Johnson gets the nod, so it will be interesting to see if they put up or shut up, if it happens.

What you conveniently ignore is that your beloved Labour (new or old) are ignoring their voters who voted to leave and putting their desperate party interests first by thwarting any deal that May has cobbled together to get a GE. Combined with cross party slavish loyalty to the EU the electorate are being royally fucked over. If the U.K. does not leave and by that I mean leave in a manner that serves the U.K. first then going forward there is and will be no point in anyone voting for anything ever again. What would be the point? Which suits your agenda. You realise that your classless socialist utopia is never going to occur within the UK. Your next best option is to have the hated upper class or people with more money than you diluted by being sucked into a federalist superstate controlled by left leaning leaurocracy and politicians from the old communist bloc.

The EU will I suspect keep granting extensions until the country is exhausted and just rolls over and admits defeat and we stay. That would be a fucking disaster. We’d effectively give away our veto and rebate and be like a neutered dog in a kennel full of bitche’s on heat. Just a cash cow to the greedy French and domineering Germans. Let’s be honest we all know who pull the strings. They may have lost two wars but by hook or by crook they intend to win the peace.

[Reg Smeeton]

What you conveniently ignore is that your beloved Labour (new or old) are ignoring their voters who voted to leave and putting their desperate party interests first by thwarting any deal that May has cobbled together to get a GE.

After the Ref, Labour voted to activate Art 50, actually ignoring the wishes of the 60% of Labour voters who ticked Remain.

In the 2017 Manifesto was a commitment to honour the outcome of the Ref, but seek the best deal and oppose no deal, which should include a general election.

The complaint amongst many Labour voters is too much emphasise was given to leave voters, a minority in the party and not enough to the remain element.

The rest of your stuff about the end of democracy, and domineering Germans is just paranoid fantasy, and unworthy of reply.

[Ardiles]

...and by that I mean leave in a manner that serves the U.K. first...

Good luck with that one.  When this winning formula emerges, I'll be all ears.