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Question: How do you intend to vote?  (Voting closed: Thursday, May 23, 2019, 16:00:47)
Conservatives - 4 (4.4%)
Labour - 6 (6.7%)
LibDem - 30 (33.3%)
Brexit Party - 23 (25.6%)
Change UK - 2 (2.2%)
UKIP - 1 (1.1%)
SNP - 0 (0%)
Green - 15 (16.7%)
Plaid Cymru - 1 (1.1%)
Not Voting - 8 (8.9%)
Total Voters: 80

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« Reply #30 on: Monday, May 20, 2019, 08:36:21 »


It's obvious the Brexit party are going to do well in this one coming up. People that believe we should leave the EU will vote for them. All rather pointless though as they will have zero input in any leaving negotiations.

Its obvious that Brexit Party is going to do well for the simple reason that in the last round of EU elections UKIP 'won' with 27% of the vote. As UKIP has veered further rightwards, Farage's company provides a (at first glance if one doesn't bore too deep) respectable home for Kippers not prepared to hold their noses. However as they are polling c.30% (or were last time I checked) its not the landslide of Tories and Labour voters the media are trying to portray, there was a thought that they would get at least 50% of the Tory vote from last time which on rough figures should have given them c.40%?

 
I surmise that a lot of die hard lefties cannot bing themselves to vote new or old labour and have flipped over to the limp demons.

You surmise well wide of the mark, one only has to look at social media to see that Labour lefties won't go anywhere near the Lib Dems, actually a lot of old school hard lefties (including certain communist groups) are very closely involved with Farage's project, google Claire Fox and if you can get beyond her interesting views of child porn see where she was previously involved.  
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« Reply #31 on: Monday, May 20, 2019, 08:38:15 »

No, over spending got us into austerity.

No, problems in the world economy ultimately got us into austerity, as they will again whether or not we leave the EU.
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« Reply #32 on: Monday, May 20, 2019, 11:45:02 »

They are a deeply dispiriting lot to be sure, but beware of what you get in a "can't be any worse" vote. None of the others want to scrap the NHS, for example (or at least they haven't said so publicly, I'm sure there's a few of the more swivel-eyed Tories would love to).
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-nhs-might-have-to-be-replaced-by-private-health-insurance-9988904.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/all-the-times-ukip-has-called-for-nhs-privatisation-nigel-farage-paul-nuttall-2017-2?r=US&IR=T

Or hang round with the nutters on InfoWars (Alex Jones, the guy who's being sued by bereaved parents of the Sandy Hook massacre for inciting hate mobs against them in his claims that the massacre didn't happen).  
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-accused-of-using-antisemitic-codewords-on-conspiracy-theorist-alex-jones-show-1.483803
(I would add "Or keep repeating dog-whistle anti-semitism" but Labour have got form on that.)

He's also strong pro-fox hunting and has previously said he'd repeal the ban (again, tbf, he shares that in common with several of the Tory leadership candidates)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/nigel-farage-joins-kent-boxing-day-hunt-for-early-morning-pint-a7496431.html

And, again in common with some Labour figures, he's previously said he thinks we might have to have a second referendum:
https://fullfact.org/europe/deja-eu-referendum/

Then there's the notorious "invasion" poster, dog-whistle racism at it's finest. And just the many lies he's been shown to have told and help spread during the referendum campaign:
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/unfounded-claim-turkey-swing-brexit-referendum/

And the illegal funding of those lies:
https://www.ft.com/content/4610a4be-dde2-11e8-9f04-38d397e6661c

I'll leave the consistent allegations that the Russians were the ultimate source of that funding, because as you'll argue, it's not been proven. Yet.

But yeah, if you're comfortable with all that, then Farage might be a lying, self-serving friend of the far-right, racists, and  foxhunters, and an enemy of the NHS but he's not "any of the rest". For that matter neither is the convicted football hooligan, woman-beater, fraudster and drug dealer Tommy Robinson. So equally good reasons to vote for him too.


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« Reply #33 on: Monday, May 20, 2019, 12:13:34 »

You're not a fan are you? Smiley
Did that leak through? Smiley
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« Reply #34 on: Monday, May 20, 2019, 12:34:06 »

Some would say most elections are pointless, but this one surely takes the biscuit?
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« Reply #35 on: Monday, May 20, 2019, 15:05:39 »

Farage got milkshaked in Newcastle. soapy tit wank

And within seconds the comment "my milkshakes brings all the boys to Ferage" was made.
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« Reply #36 on: Monday, May 20, 2019, 15:26:29 »

Farage got milkshaked in Newcastle. soapy tit wank

And within seconds the comment "my milkshakes brings all the boys to Ferage" was made.

I prefer...

all around me are familiar faces
throwing milkshakes
cos I'm racist

Actually the best bit of the various videos is the fact that you can hear people just laughing at him all the time, he will hate that!
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« Reply #37 on: Monday, May 20, 2019, 15:39:27 »

I prefer...

all around me are familiar faces
throwing milkshakes
cos I'm racist

Actually the best bit of the various videos is the fact that you can hear people just laughing at him all the time, he will hate that!

That laughing sounds like a witch....quite scary....
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« Reply #38 on: Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 16:47:30 »

You're not a fan are you? Smiley
Pretty much a bog standard politician then ?.
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« Reply #39 on: Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 17:50:56 »

Green for me, more because I can't stomach the others than anything else.
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« Reply #40 on: Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 19:51:51 »

Green for me, more because I can't stomach the others than anything else.

Lib Dem for me for same reason
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« Reply #41 on: Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 20:35:04 »

Lib Dem for me for same reason

Same here
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« Reply #42 on: Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 06:35:40 »

Never really understood why the wishy washy liberals are, in the main, the party of choice for disaffected voters.

With the environmental doomsday not that far away, hoping that a few more will go Green.

This election is just an administrative exercise that will test the doodling skills of quite a few who bother to turn up.
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« Reply #43 on: Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 06:45:06 »

the wishy washy have the slogan 'bollocks to brexit'.

its a clear choice for remain.

Although the greens have the same policy on brexit, I honestly think people are less convinced on their ability to govern outside environmental issues. unfair on them mind
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« Reply #44 on: Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 07:17:28 »

Never really understood why the wishy washy liberals are, in the main, the party of choice for disaffected voters.

With the environmental doomsday not that far away, hoping that a few more will go Green.

This election is just an administrative exercise that will test the doodling skills of quite a few who bother to turn up.

Greens usually do well in Euro elections as it is a bloc wide vote, and environmental concerns are higher in most leading European countries than UK. This is why I've always voted Green at Euro elections.... and last time got an MEP. 

The EU environmental standards, have been of benefit to the UK.... things like clean beaches, whereas other policies have been disastrous like the CAP.  The lowering of environmental standards is one of the aims of Brexiteers... and why things like fracking are banned in many EU countries but actively pursued by Tory politicians and other Brexiteers.
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