European Elections 23rd May

[Combe Up]

On the currently announced results (missing Scotland and NI):

Hard Brexit (BXP + UKIP) 36.8%
Remain (LD + GRN + CHUK) 37.0%
May's Deal (Con) 8.8%
Soft Brexit (Lab) 14.6%

Pretty tough to draw anything conclusive from that, other than that one way or the other a lot of people are going to be very cross.

How about this conclusion:

According to the above figures 60.2% of those who voted have voted for the United Kingdom to end membership of the European Union (UKExit). Then let's LEAVE the European Union. Negotiations can then begin for anyone who wants to re-establish links with EU.

What on earth is wrong with the above. It honours the result of the 2016 referendum and today's continuing desire of the majority of those who exercised their right to vote. We now have a way forward.

[Red Frog]

How about this alternative conclusion?

Turnout 16.6m, 36.7% of the eligible electorate. Nearly two thirds of the UK is so apathetic and unresponsive to this historically shit state of affairs that they can't be arsed to even express an opinion. The country deserves what's coming, frankly.

[Ardiles]

The Brexit Party vote will force the Tories to adopt a Hard Brexit/WTO policy, and the next leader will have to be someone prepared to go down that road.  That will split the Tories down the middle.  Whether the Hard Brexit wing of the Tories then joins the Brexit Party or tries to compete with it is anyone's guess.

Labour will then have to react.  They will finally have to get off the fence and either come out for Remain (in line with the majority of their supporters' wishes) or a 2nd referendum.  Not sure Corbyn can survive as leader if that happens.  Patience with him must be wearing thin.

Meanwhile, Scotland edges ever closer to independence and the UK to being an ex-country.  Maybe it always had to be like this.  Popular opinion is so split.  Maybe there is no real way out.

[Sir red ken]

The Brexit Party vote will force the Tories to adopt a Hard Brexit/WTO policy, and the next leader will have to be someone prepared to go down that road.  That will split the Tories down the middle.  Whether the Hard Brexit wing of the Tories then joins the Brexit Party or tries to compete with it is anyone's guess.

Labour will then have to react.  They will finally have to get off the fence and either come out for Remain (in line with the majority of their supporters' wishes) or a 2nd referendum.  Not sure Corbyn can survive as leader if that happens.  Patience with him must be wearing thin.

Meanwhile, Scotland edges ever closer to independence and the UK to being an ex-country.  Maybe it always had to be like this.  Popular opinion is so split.  Maybe there is no real way out.

A scotland split will make the leave vote in England and Wales even bigger. the odd thing is Scotland wants to be an independent Nation. Will it launch its own currency at no small cost, then rejoin the eu, dumping the new currency for the Euro? that's not going to be cheap. Coupled with full memebership payments and being controlled by Brussels? it will wreck their new country, which would no longer be independent. What's left of the UK will be free of the Scottish financial burden and can move forward. No one's asked we Jimmy cranky how's she's going to pay for all that with a few Salmon farms and a dozen whisky factories. Most of the oil has gone and so they're of little financial use to the eu, who by all accounts don't like Haggis.

[Ardiles]

The majority of all the towns and cities in England which are outside of London voted in 2016 & 2019 for the United Kingdom to cease membership of the European Union (UKExit). Now let's get on with it. Negotiations to re-establish any links can start after we are independent.

If, by 'it', you mean a hard/WTO Brexit, there is no mandate for this.  So no.

And round we go...

[RedRag]

Basically it’s been 40% Remain and 35% no deal.  Taking UKIP as Brexit Party, the most improved parties as against 2014 have been LDs and Greens.

[pauld]

Genuine question: what does that look like, in your opinion? What is your preferred (realistic) arrangement for us leaving the EU?

Still waiting for an answer from Legends Lounge on this. Interesting, because he's normally so quick to jump down people's throats

[Sir red ken]

Still waiting for an answer from Legends Lounge on this. Interesting, because he's normally so quick to jump down people's throats

Can't blame him for jumping down peoples throats if they keep repeating the same shite. There was no multi choice on the ballot paper. Just Dave's shitty deal or leave the EU. not brino, not soft brexit, no unicorns, no you can change your mind before we leave. FFS stop spouting the elites mantras.

[Bob's Orange]

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[Flashheart]

Can't blame him for jumping down peoples throats if they keep repeating the same shite.

Said without a hint of irony.

[Combe Up]

If, by 'it', you mean a hard/WTO Brexit, there is no mandate for this.  So no.

And round we go...

I mean "leaving the EU" as was on the referendum paper in 2016 & the single issue on which the party gaining the most votes in 2019 campaigned for.

Any further delay will prolong the uncertainty, therefore we need you to come on board for the good of the country. Are you with us or are you a traitor?

[Red Frog]

I mean "leaving the EU" as was on the referendum paper in 2016 & the single issue on which the party gaining the most votes in 2019 campaigned for.

Any further delay will prolong the uncertainty, therefore we need you to come on board for the good of the country. Are you with us or are you a traitor?

Says the bloke who turns a blind eye to Russian-financed campaigning. 

[Exiled Bob]

I mean "leaving the EU" as was on the referendum paper in 2016 & the single issue on which the party gaining the most votes in 2019 campaigned for.

Any further delay will prolong the uncertainty, therefore we need you to come on board for the good of the country. Are you with us or are you a traitor?

How is it that you fuckwits determine that anyone against a no deal (or, simply) Brexit (following a non-legally binding, advisory referendum), is a traitor?

[chalkies_shorts]

Says the bloke who turns a blind eye to Russian-financed campaigning. 

Had there been any evidence provided to prove that. It's oft claimed but unless I've missed something never proved. It may be true but unproven. The more farage is slurred the stronger he gets.
All yesterday proved was what we knew before maybe with a bit more polarisation. Maybe more leavers than imagined happy with no deal. We are where we were.
Both labour and conservative need to be very careful about calling a general election. I don't think they can be certain normal voting intentions will revert. This isn't a normal situation.

[Red Frog]

Had there been any evidence provided to prove that. It's oft claimed but unless I've missed something never proved. It may be true but unproven. The more farage is slurred the stronger he gets.
All yesterday proved was what we knew before maybe with a bit more polarisation. Maybe more leavers than imagined happy with no deal. We are where we were.
Both labour and conservative need to be very careful about calling a general election. I don't think they can be certain normal voting intentions will revert. This isn't a normal situation.

You're right that it's unproven, but only because investigations are still ongoing, including into the origin of Twitter bots in this most recent campaign. Banks and Farage play clever with the law, because they know that by the time the wheels of justice have turned, the agenda will have moved on so far they'll be out of sight. Leave.EU's methods of manipulation were exposed in a recent C4 documentary though.

That said, I think you're right that by this stage, very many people's view of Brexit is as simple as "just get it done". Of course, they don't have to deal with the complexities of delivering it, which the actual professionals have failed to do for three years. They're just bored of the same old circular news cycle.

I guess this is where you end up if you ask a question without a clue as to what to do with the answer.