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« Reply #540 on: Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 20:02:43 »

budget 2M, cut from a top 3 last year, to a top 5 this season, Power

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I’d be interested to know Mr Smeeton’s thoughts

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« Reply #541 on: Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 20:06:20 »

Shaun ‘Stone Wash’ Hodgetts, for all his critics of being up Power’s arse etc, has put the  ‘judge me in 5 years comments’ to him. He responds by mentioning the off field ownership battles, admits appointing LW was a mistake and questions the signings made by Flitcroft.

The interview is well worth a listen.
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« Reply #542 on: Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 20:09:37 »

Please share your midtable budget information comparable with the rest of the league with us all.
you make it seem so easy. did Notts County set up for mid table?

We've done this many times; last year the budget was reckoned about 7th... remember Flitcroft saying how we couldn't compete wit Div 4's big hitters... we knew Chesterfield were 6th (see David Conn's analysis)

We know this year's was reduced as a consequence of failing to go up, but reckoned to be about 10th... the hope being that Brown might be able to add value to that.... one of his selling points,  was that he'd always finished above budget.

A reasonable strategy.... but as Spireites showed last season and Notts this it can go wrong.  Conversely it can go right with good management as Accy and Wycombe have shown. Most clubs will mostly finish somewhere near their budget.... when we won Div 4 under PdC we had the biggest budget.
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« Reply #543 on: Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 20:11:31 »

At least he's said something at last!

Doesn't ease my reservations but at least he's explained it.

get a few wins and it'll all calm down.
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« Reply #544 on: Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 20:17:02 »

Every time I hear Power speak - it does actually reassure me. It’s a shame nothing on the pitch follows.
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« Reply #545 on: Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 20:19:51 »

what he said was fine. Not sure he could have said anything more to reassure.

but as you said, the proof is in the pudding
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« Reply #546 on: Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 20:47:19 »

 You can get a reasonable handle on respective spends by looking at the agents fees clubs dish out per season, as generally speaking the more money will be spent on what should be, but clearly always isn't, a higher grade of player... also the more of these players you need will also reflect... you would think that agents aren't involved in loans, but I suppose it's possible

 Clubs have to produce these figures.  We came in 16th in that list, and finished 9th. As has been said many times Accy and Wycombe did well with modest budgets, Cov and Luton's spends got them up, FGR's kept them up

ACCRINGTON STANLEY
£9,632
BARNET
£31,147
CAMBRIDGE UNITED
£42,449
CARLISLE UNITED
£38,470
CHELTENHAM TOWN
£33,123
CHESTERFIELD
£80,477
COLCHESTER UNITED
£41,617
COVENTRY CITY
£113,620
CRAWLEY TOWN
£4,680
CREWE ALEXANDRA
£9,388
EXETER CITY
£41,540
FOREST GREEN ROVERS
£70,846
GRIMSBY TOWN
£42,232
LINCOLN CITY
£28,549
LUTON TOWN
£75,525
MANSFIELD TOWN
£85,940
MORECAMBE
£8,801
NEWPORT COUNTY
£19,058
NOTTS COUNTY
£76,426
PORT VALE
£29,495
STEVENAGE
£17,420
SWINDON TOWN
£27,383
WYCOMBE WANDERERS
£7,311
YEOVIL TOWN
£23,840
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« Reply #547 on: Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 21:16:55 »

In case you missed it the first time Reg:

budget 2M, cut from a top 3 last year, to a top 5 this season, Power
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« Reply #548 on: Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 21:18:12 »

perhaps he doesn't believe power?
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« Reply #549 on: Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 21:42:31 »

You can get a reasonable handle on respective spends by looking at the agents fees clubs dish out per season, as generally speaking the more money will be spent on what should be, but clearly always isn't, a higher grade of player... also the more of these players you need will also reflect... you would think that agents aren't involved in loans, but I suppose it's possible

 Clubs have to produce these figures.  We came in 16th in that list, and finished 9th. As has been said many times Accy and Wycombe did well with modest budgets, Cov and Luton's spends got them up, FGR's kept them up

ACCRINGTON STANLEY
£9,632
BARNET
£31,147
CAMBRIDGE UNITED
£42,449
CARLISLE UNITED
£38,470
CHELTENHAM TOWN
£33,123
CHESTERFIELD
£80,477
COLCHESTER UNITED
£41,617
COVENTRY CITY
£113,620
CRAWLEY TOWN
£4,680
CREWE ALEXANDRA
£9,388
EXETER CITY
£41,540
FOREST GREEN ROVERS
£70,846
GRIMSBY TOWN
£42,232
LINCOLN CITY
£28,549
LUTON TOWN
£75,525
MANSFIELD TOWN
£85,940
MORECAMBE
£8,801
NEWPORT COUNTY
£19,058
NOTTS COUNTY
£76,426
PORT VALE
£29,495
STEVENAGE
£17,420
SWINDON TOWN
£27,383
WYCOMBE WANDERERS
£7,311
YEOVIL TOWN
£23,840
The only thing that list proves is that agent fees paid aren't an indicator of where you will finish in the league.
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« Reply #550 on: Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 21:45:03 »

perhaps he doesn't believe power?

Well seeing as how we needed a more or less new squad, to be top 3 it would mean we're paying decent wages, but agents out of the generosity of their hearts are prepared to accept a smaller cut than they're entitled.

Which is kind of them.... of course if you had a squad already in place, then you might only need a couple of players for that season but we recruited something like 13 or 14.
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« Reply #551 on: Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 21:57:08 »

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say some clubs won’t have a problem paying agents what they ask and others will have a limit they are prepare to pay.

Linking agent fees to budgets is a stretch to say the least. Plus people don’t have a clue what every club’s budget is, educated guess work at the best.

Power would be unlikely to know where our budget ranks in the division
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« Reply #552 on: Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 22:08:28 »

Don’t clubs have to register their budgets with the EFL before the season starts? Don’t know if that info is confidential or available for anyone else to see.

I presume, speaking to Wellens, that Oldham’s budget of £1.4m in L1 is accurate.
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« Reply #553 on: Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 22:09:49 »

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say some clubs won’t have a problem paying agents what they ask and others will have a limit they are prepare to pay.

Linking agent fees to budgets is a stretch to say the least. Plus people don’t have a clue what every club’s budget is, educated guess work at the best.

Power would be unlikely to know where our budget ranks in the division

It gives you a clue... no more than that.... if you look at the Prem, top agent fees payers were Liverpool and Man City... Chelsea were a bit below their spend and Spurs a bit above... Man U about as expected and Arsenal off the pace.

Then at the other end a clutch of clubs with relatively modest spends, as you'd expect... the likes of Burnley and Huddersfield, who stayed up but Swansea and WBA who went down. Any of these their spend would outstrip the whole of Div 4.

The clue is that the market general rates the better players more highly.... therefore they cost more, therefore the agent takes more by way of %.  It's not a perfect correlation.
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« Reply #554 on: Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 22:12:24 »

Don’t clubs have to register their budgets with the EFL before the season starts? Don’t know if that info is confidential or available for anyone else to see.

I presume, speaking to Wellens, that Oldham’s budget of £1.4m in L1 is accurate.

If that is the case and the information is freely available then I take it all back.

I’ve never seen it though, sort of thing I would have expected to see posted somewhere if it was public knowledge
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