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« Reply #150 on: Thursday, July 5, 2018, 15:52:35 »

So 5 = stitch up the Russians then?
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« Reply #151 on: Thursday, July 5, 2018, 16:25:12 »

Wow. I like option 4.

They've experimented on people in the past.

I bet there aren't many rough sleepers to be found in the area.
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« Reply #152 on: Thursday, July 5, 2018, 16:58:22 »

Load of bollocks, yet again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44719639


No bollocks from me, but believe whatever you want to believe.

Many particulate when mixed with water provides a lesser D/R. Trouble is water is a 'good' moderator. Our body is made up of mostly water. Novichok in a sealed container on the side will not hurt you. Why? It contaminates not radiates. It is an internal hazard. Like an alpha particle won't get through your skin layer but if ingested or injected into the body then you're in a lot of trouble.

However I don't need to tell you any of this because you already know.

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« Reply #153 on: Thursday, July 5, 2018, 17:12:20 »

Yet there were scores of experts (including those on the BBC) last time stating categorically that (as an example);

'These agents react with water to degrade, including moisture in the air, and so in the UK they would have a very limited lifetime. This is presumably why the street in Salisbury was being hosed down as a precaution it would effectively destroy the agent.'

They seem to be wheeling out experts to confirm whatever the government line is, so months back it was 'nothing to worry about', now 'it must be the Russians again'

Ultimately its way above my pay grade, my mate who is a chemist (and coincidentally lives in Salisbury), when theories were being randomly thrown about by us fuckwits this morning added these two...

4. There's a rogue element inside Porton Down (about three miles away)

5. It isn't Novichok, but something like Fentanyl - the symptoms in both this case and the Skripal case fit better with the known effects of Fentanyl than the alleged effects of Novichok (whatever they happen to be this week - the effects keep changing)


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Fentanyl theory is interesting, although it is basically an opioid. I thought it had been ruled out that they weren't heroin addicts? Cafentanil (think that's how is spelt) would be another similar opioid. Although I'm not sure it would be this.

Can't remember who said it but another theory is someone finding/discovering (somehow, seems far fetched unless you are working in those environments or are targeted) <insert contaminant> and then subsequently exposing themselves to it.

I still stand by what I say; most contaminants are generally dealt with by moisture, either naturally or through decontam processes and because o the usually low half life that they possess.
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« Reply #154 on: Thursday, July 5, 2018, 18:17:39 »

I'm thick on stuff like this. Why? If they were together all day, and this is fast acting, did they fall ill several hours apart? Even odder that the GF/wife was in hospital, and the bloke was still at home. lots don't add up to me with this.
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« Reply #155 on: Thursday, July 5, 2018, 21:53:40 »

Fentanyl theory is interesting, although it is basically an opioid. I thought it had been ruled out that they weren't heroin addicts? Cafentanil (think that's how is spelt) would be another similar opioid. Although I'm not sure it would be this.

Can't remember who said it but another theory is someone finding/discovering (somehow, seems far fetched unless you are working in those environments or are targeted) <insert contaminant> and then subsequently exposing themselves to it.

I still stand by what I say; most contaminants are generally dealt with by moisture, either naturally or through decontam processes and because o the usually low half life that they possess.

Fentanyl IS an opioid. Carfentanyl is a fentanyl analog, certainly has the power to be used in this way but I don't know much about that side of things.
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« Reply #156 on: Thursday, July 5, 2018, 22:08:22 »

Fentanyl IS an opioid. Carfentanyl is a fentanyl analog, certainly has the power to be used in this way but I don't know much about that side of things.

Tbh i'm not massively up on my opioids (oo-er), I've heard of several but I ignorantly just thought that both were synthetic opioids? Going full circle in a way, Carfentanil is exactly the reason why I mentioned it because I know it's bloody dangerous. Much more dangerous than Fentanyl. Which is pretty strong stuff alone.

When Horlock mentioned his Chemist mate suggested Fentanyl as a theory, Carfentanil came to mind but you corrected me as I'd forgotten not only it's spelling but it's true categorisation. Didn't realise it was an analog. Cheers.
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« Reply #157 on: Saturday, July 7, 2018, 20:07:21 »

Gwh on shutdown because a police officer has been admitted, suspected of nerve agent damage

Bit closer to home that is....
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« Reply #158 on: Saturday, July 7, 2018, 22:20:20 »

Gwh on shutdown because a police officer has been admitted, suspected of nerve agent damage

Bit closer to home that is....
Now being transferred to Salisbury, worrying times.
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« Reply #159 on: Saturday, July 7, 2018, 23:05:47 »

Given all clear, drama over. ED back open at GWH.

Good to see they didn't take any chances, symptoms are quite wide ranging.
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« Reply #160 on: Saturday, July 7, 2018, 23:08:15 »

good stuff.

plus on a selfish point of view I have a knee appointment Wednesday
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« Reply #161 on: Sunday, July 8, 2018, 20:46:30 »

Has to happen when I'm on call! Was shitting it yesterday. All clear now.
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« Reply #162 on: Sunday, July 8, 2018, 21:51:50 »

Dawn Sturgess, the women that was recently exposed, has died Sad

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-44760875?__twitter_impression=true
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« Reply #163 on: Monday, July 9, 2018, 14:39:07 »

Dawn Sturgess, the women that was recently exposed, has died Sad

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-44760875?__twitter_impression=true

That's a massive shame. A potential case of "Ye know too much!"
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« Reply #164 on: Monday, July 9, 2018, 15:09:15 »

That's a massive shame. A potential case of "Ye know too much!"
Eh? Last week you were trying to tell us she wasn't posioned with Novowhatnot but had instead been doped on opioids, now she apparently "knew too much". About what?
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