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« Reply #105 on: Thursday, March 22, 2018, 13:17:57 »

TBF this is a much more effective sanction than pointless expulsions or BJ blustering in Parliament and in the press.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/mar/22/ministers-vow-to-end-secrecy-around-foreign-ownership-of-uk-property

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« Reply #106 on: Thursday, March 22, 2018, 14:19:22 »

TBF this is a much more effective sanction than pointless expulsions or BJ blustering in Parliament and in the press.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/mar/22/ministers-vow-to-end-secrecy-around-foreign-ownership-of-uk-property

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No fucking hope of that in the slightest, remember that much of the reason many of the wealthy and powerful are pushing for Brexit is that the EU are cracking down on such financial matters, when we are Singapore of northern Europe its just going to get murkier. Plus there are too many MP's and Peers with property owned via offshore for it to pass the commons or Lords.

But don't worry, Johnson has now invoked Godwins Law on the whole thing so that will sort it all amicably - cannot conclude if its attention seeking of true cluelessness!
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« Reply #107 on: Thursday, March 22, 2018, 15:03:32 »

No fucking hope of that in the slightest, remember that much of the reason many of the wealthy and powerful are pushing for Brexit is that the EU are cracking down on such financial matters, when we are Singapore of northern Europe its just going to get murkier. Plus there are too many MP's and Peers with property owned via offshore for it to pass the commons or Lords.

But don't worry, Johnson has now invoked Godwins Law on the whole thing so that will sort it all amicably - cannot conclude if its attention seeking of true cluelessness!
It's bluster and he knows it. Makes it look like he's being tough for domestic consumption so he doesn't actually have to do anything, given that most of his major interests in recent years - London, Brexit, the Tory party - are all knee-deep in dirty Russian money, he isn't going to bite the hand that feeds him. But would be nice if someone else in govt would, if only because they want to fuck Boris up

There's also a counter-theory of course, that Putin actually wants the oligarchs to be forced out of London so he can repatriate the cash and/or keep a closer rein on them. In which case Boris is just doing him a favour. Well, the Tories have been well paid for it, when all's said and done
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« Reply #108 on: Thursday, March 22, 2018, 15:44:00 »

No fucking hope of that in the slightest, remember that much of the reason many of the wealthy and powerful are pushing for Brexit is that the EU are cracking down on such financial matters, when we are Singapore of northern Europe its just going to get murkier. Plus there are too many MP's and Peers with property owned via offshore for it to pass the commons or Lords.

But don't worry, Johnson has now invoked Godwins Law on the whole thing so that will sort it all amicably - cannot conclude if its attention seeking of true cluelessness!

A lot of of Brexiteers would probably welcome some Singapore style discipline....

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/singapore/local-laws-and-customs
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« Reply #109 on: Tuesday, March 27, 2018, 08:26:36 »

Pathetic. Magnitsky Act or STFU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnitsky_Act
TBF the coordinated expulsion of hundreds of Russian spies from over 20 countries yesterday was an impressive piece of diplomacy from May (as she seems to be taking credit for it, sidelining the oaf Johnson). If Putin's aim was, as some of the correspondents have suggested, to isolate Britain or expose our relative weakness in the world, it's backfired
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« Reply #110 on: Tuesday, March 27, 2018, 11:45:52 »

TBF the coordinated expulsion of hundreds of Russian spies from over 20 countries yesterday was an impressive piece of diplomacy from May (as she seems to be taking credit for it, sidelining the oaf Johnson). If Putin's aim was, as some of the correspondents have suggested, to isolate Britain or expose our relative weakness in the world, it's backfired
So much for insignificant, isolated & sidestepped UK after Brexit and we have not left the EUSSR yet.
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« Reply #111 on: Tuesday, March 27, 2018, 11:54:50 »

So much for insignificant, isolated & sidestepped UK after Brexit and we have not left the EUSSR yet.
Indeed. May has pulled off quite a coup with this.
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« Reply #112 on: Tuesday, March 27, 2018, 14:56:27 »

They quite like her over here - they don't really understand the Political Party differences but they see her as being very "proper" in comparison to what they see locally!
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« Reply #113 on: Tuesday, March 27, 2018, 15:56:43 »

they see her as being very "proper" in comparison to what they see locally!

Well, its a fairly narrow field to select from the other side of "proper" isn't it.
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« Reply #114 on: Tuesday, March 27, 2018, 16:10:06 »

So much for insignificant, isolated & sidestepped UK after Brexit and we have not left the EUSSR yet.

That's purely the reason though...because we have not officially "left" yet. So for all intents and purposes every criteria we have with the EU still stands. Likely, most of those criteria will stand when we "leave". This is not really a coup by May it's just the right thing to do. No one wants a Cold War style stand-off (basically, my balls are bigger than yours). Russia has had a go at bullying and the rest of Europe has responded.

I'm more concerned at the "relations" and "tactics" N.K are currently operating. We can say it's an innocent attempt to bridge broken friendships (that would be true if only South Korea were being approached) but if N.K has an ally in China, it has an ally in Russia. There is a much bigger picture here. If the official meeting with Cheeto and KJ-U goes ahead, there is much to be scoffed at the promise of denuclearisation by themselves. We have to remember many World leaders have signed treaties and agreements in the past, only to work in total polarity to the very treaty that was signed.
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« Reply #115 on: Tuesday, March 27, 2018, 16:22:55 »

Expelling diplomats. Pah.

Enough of this pissing about.
The Royal Navy should be deployed to the Baltic and the Black Sea to give the blighters a damn good hiding.

Stopping at Berlin in 1945 was a big mistake.
The Allies should have carried on to Vladivostok.

Bloody Russkis, coming over here, organising our crime, buying our football clubs, violating our airspace....

Spasibo!
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« Reply #116 on: Tuesday, April 3, 2018, 19:57:12 »

So, Porton Down say they can't confirm it was Russian.

It doesn't mean it wasn't Russian, of course, and it doesn't mean the tories don't have sufficient evidence to say it was Russian.

What it does mean, though, is that Boris lied. Awkward.
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« Reply #117 on: Tuesday, April 3, 2018, 20:02:27 »

What it does mean, though, is that Boris lied (AGAIN). Awkward.
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« Reply #118 on: Tuesday, April 3, 2018, 20:06:52 »

Mr Aitkenhead added: "It is our job to provide the scientific evidence of what this particular nerve agent is, we identified that it is from this particular family and that it is a military grade, but it is not our job to say where it was manufactured."
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« Reply #119 on: Wednesday, April 4, 2018, 12:54:25 »

Johnson is now being attacked for misleading the public.  As things stand, Putin wins the media battle.

If we cannot prove that Russia manufactured the nerve agent - and it's starting to look that way - is Putin not owed an apology?  Bit embarrassing.
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