General Election - Who's Getting Your Vote?

[REDBUCK]

I'm in Pax's gang.

[Abrahammer]

Bloody good post that Pax

[Reg Smeeton]

This is a really good post and most of what you wrote is bang on. I'll still be voting Labour though, for a couple of reasons.. My political leaning is slightly left of centre; definitely not Socialist, or Marxist, but voting Lib Dems in Swindon is as pointless as STFC after a derby game. I don't trust either of the other 2 main parties, but for very different reasons. I don't trust Labour because I'm worried that their policies, most of which I agree with, will be difficult to implement due to infighting and weak people in positions of power (Not Corbin, I'm thinking of Dianne Fucking Abbott). I don't trust the tories because they are dangerous. Seriously dangerous. Their policies are self serving, they don't care about 90% of the population, they are destroying public services and they have just as many fucking loons as Labour (Boris Fucking Johnson, Jeremy Fucking Hunt?). In my view, Labour is a lesser evil and that's why I'll be voting for them.

PS. I still maintain that Theresa May is a cunt.

I'm not sure how PR can describe the present Tory administration as any way competent.

 He's right though to say they are distrusted for their intentions... and as you say this current lot have some very dangerous intentions.

 

 

[chalkies_shorts]

 Great post pax. I'm a traditional labour supporter but want out of the EU so voted ukip. This time around I'd love to vote labour but don't think I can. Can't vote tory either. Anyone who introduces the bedroom tax is not fit for government. Tax fucking Starbucks not the fucking disabled. I do, however, think there needs to be a benefits cap.
One of the things I hate about labour at the moment is the intellectual superiority of shitbags like Abbott and thornberry. It's not their fault they can't convince the voters, it's that the voters are intellectual pygmies and just don't get it. Lib dem are just a bunch of sexual deviants. It really is a choice of who is less shit.

[Berniman]

Couldn't agree more with Pax, especially point 4.

One of the most succinct posts of read on here in a long time, which is scary in our world of 80% bollocks..

[pauld]

I'm not sure how PR can describe the present Tory administration as any way competent.

He didn't he said they were perceived as being competent and that is why people will vote for them when Labour put up a "ragbag assortment of clowns" (an excellent description of Corbyn's proposed govt in waiting) as an alternative. TBF though the description applies equally well to the party that brought us the Brexit shambles (whether you wanted Brexit or not, having the idiots Johnson and Fox who campaigned for it but didn't have a plan as to what would happen if they won, not just in govt  but in charge of Brexit is just ridiculous), the NHS hack, Austerity (and then fucked that up by spectacularly missing their own targets), Amber fucking Rudd etc etc. It's a choice between one bunch of incompetent clowns and another, not a great choice. That's not to mention May's terrifying unquestioning cosying up to the Clown in Chief Trump and all the harm he will do.

So I guess the question is do you want relatively well-meaning incompetent clowns or evil malicious incompetent clowns?


The new minister in charge of implementing Tory cuts

[Reg Smeeton]

He didn't he said they were perceived as being competent

OK let me change that...

I'm not sure how PR can describe the present Tory administration as being perceived as any way competent.

[The Grim Reaper]

Compared to the previous Labour government under Blair/Brown it's easy to see why they are perceived to be more competent.

[Pax Romana]

Compared to the previous Labour government under Blair/Brown it's easy to see why they are perceived to be more competent.

I don't agree.  Brown had his presentational faults but I think history will recognise that we were very fortunate to have such a competent and courageous chancellor in 2008 when we really needed one.  Imagine Norman Lamont in the same scenario.

By contrast Teresa May looks utterly clueless, the references earlier in this thread to her looking like a rabbit in the headlights seem spot on.  Yes it's great to be tough and resolute but there needs to be some intelligence and vision behind it.  Worse still the team behind her look average at best. 

In the past the Tories had brains even if they didn't have hearts.  Osborne (say) may not have been everyone's favourite human being but he was smart. 

I think a May government will be a shambles and I'm voting for them as the best available option.  If I lived 5 miles further east I'd actually have to vote for her personally and I would.  It's a fucking joke.

[StfcRusty]

Somehow the Tories always seem to benefit from the label of being the party of  "economic competence". Why?

I grew up during a period of exclusively Tory rule. Not looked any of this up but my memory is of a time of massive boom-and-bust - 15%+ interest rates, negative-equity, stock market crash, 4 million unemployed, inner city riots etc.

Yet it always Labour labelled as "taking us back to the 70s" as if the 80s and early 90s are the halcyon days of lore.

Some people wouldn't be able to comprehend mortgage rates in double-figures let alone cope with them. Any significant increase in the next few years to counteract the recent inflationary pressures would see dire consequences for many.

[ron dodgers]

I think I'll wait to read the manifestos, I've done the Labour draft one and that seems more radical than those before it, I'm happy about Royal Mail and the train franchises and education etc. I'd probably be better off voting Con but we'll see what they publish. I would like to see health have a higher GDP percentage spend than it does now as a priority and free bus passes at 55.
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[ghanimah]

TBF though the description applies equally well to the party that brought us the Brexit shambles (whether you wanted Brexit or not, having the idiots Johnson and Fox who campaigned for it but didn't have a plan as to what would happen if they won, not just in govt  but in charge of Brexit is just ridiculous),

That I agree with, not least David Davis who doesn't understand the basic difference between an EU customs union and the EEA (Single Market). Even worse they were offered a plan but they rejected it on the basis it contradicted their copious wealthy backers views of an "Adam Smith" type bonfire of regulations. On that basis the Tories are trying to hijack the result for their own ends.

Unfortunately the real world don't work like that, and certainly the EU doesn't. Theresa May might want to ignore the British electorate after a possible big GE victory but issues like the NI and Irish border are not going to go away.

[Christy]

By contrast Teresa May looks utterly clueless, the references earlier in this thread to her looking like a rabbit in the headlights seem spot on.  Yes it's great to be tough and resolute but there needs to be some intelligence and vision behind it.  Worse still the team behind her look average at best.  

I think a May government will be a shambles and I'm voting for them as the best available option.  If I lived 5 miles further east I'd actually have to vote for her personally and I would.  It's a fucking joke.

Thanks PR for offering some insight into the mindset of potential Conservative voters.  Desperate times indeed.

[theakston2k]

I think I'll wait to read the manifestos, I've done the Labour draft one and that seems more radical than those before it, I'm happy about Royal Mail and the train franchises and education etc.

Having worked within Network Rail I couldn't think of anything worst than bringing the railways back into public ownership, the inefficiencies are staggering. Still catching up with decades of underinvestment from when it was last publicly operated by BR. Having the TOC's in place at least leads to some investment and forces them to deliver due to the financial penalties for overrunning possessions and delay minutes.
Just need to look at the mess Network Rail are making of the Great Western electrification, can only imagine the chaos if they ran the trains as well!

[Arriba]

Having worked within Network Rail I couldn't think of anything worst than bringing the railways back into public ownership, the inefficiencies are staggering. Still catching up with decades of underinvestment from when it was last publicly operated by BR. Having the TOC's in place at least leads to some investment and forces them to deliver due to the financial penalties for overrunning possessions and delay minutes.
Just need to look at the mess Network Rail are making of the Great Western electrification, can only imagine the chaos if they ran the trains as well!

Well it works in other countries. We're paying for it already so why not see the money stay within the public purse rather than into cunts like Richard Branson's pockets?