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« Reply #435 on: Thursday, February 22, 2018, 16:23:01 »

If you remember, we had a period where we had backers but couldn't say who (when Bob Holt "knew" that they were un-named Americans). Ideally you'd want to be open and transparent about everything as early as possible; sometimes that isn't always possible. There may be (e.g) good legal or commercial reasons why the Trust's backers don't want to be named at this stage. I look at it like this - the guys involved in running the Trust now are:
a) bona fide long term fans
b) all pretty smart and fairly successful in their chosen fields and there's a decent amount of business experience in there.
That gives me sufficient confidence that their motives are good vis a vis the club and that they have the experience/knowledge to assess that the route they're pursuing is a viable one. Whereas I think Power's end game is more opaque and that of any 3rd party who chose to sell to is necessarily at this stage unknowable.

Yes I remember that time very well

And thank you, can always count on you for a good reasoning from someone who has had experience in something like this.
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« Reply #436 on: Thursday, February 22, 2018, 16:39:57 »

When you're stuck between a rock (Power) and a hard place (SBC) the least shit option looks most inviting.

Do those advocating Power seriously believe he and his chums will swan in stump up about 15 mill, conservative estimate, to build us a few new no doubt steel and breeze block stands?  

Why would they?

Any you believe the Trust would be able to stump up £15m?

Lots of bias from a huge amount of our fan base against Lee Power based largely on speculation and conspiracy. In no way do i believe him a saint, i think the distance he has put between the club and the media/fanbase has put apathy at an all time high. However he runs the club like a business, and has never said he would do otherwise.

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« Reply #437 on: Thursday, February 22, 2018, 16:52:10 »

Any you believe the Trust would be able to stump up £15m?

Lots of bias from a huge amount of our fan base against Lee Power based largely on speculation and conspiracy. In no way do i believe him a saint, i think the distance he has put between the club and the media/fanbase has put apathy at an all time high. However he runs the club like a business, and has never said he would do otherwise.

No, but for me it's realistic to try and do any redevelopment in a more sustainable fashion, more in keeping with our historic status.

He's always been open about his desire to make money... at the outset it was I'm a football man no interest in redevelopment/new grounds etc. However that source has now dried up, so is it just coincidence he's now interested in the ground?

If there appeared an obvious route for generating the evanescent 365 usage, that is required to make money from the CG, then fair enough, but all previous attempts at a concept of how this might be achieved on the CG footprint have failed... from Rikki's casino to Fitton and co's....  NHS surgery.


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« Reply #438 on: Thursday, February 22, 2018, 18:27:57 »

Let’s face facts until the trust registered interest and moved it forward Power never showed any interest in buying the CG.

The only reason he has joined the bidding are because of the trust bid- read into that what you will
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« Reply #439 on: Thursday, February 22, 2018, 18:41:14 »

The trust has finally spoken, and give me the impression that they have funds for purchasing the ground only.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/16041146.County_Ground_becomes_community_asset_as_Trust_press_on_with_purchase/

TRUST STFC have revealed they have had the County Ground listed as an Asset of Community Value, insisting they remain committed to their own plan to purchase Swindon Town's home.

Wasn't it listed fucking years ago (yes it was http://www.swindon.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/753/information_-_list_of_community_assets.pdf and the listing runs out on the date the story suggests), this is just regurgitating old news to make it look like something is happening (or more likely shit Advertiser work), however the Council are not duty bound to sell to the Trust.

Vice-chairman Rob Angus added: “Our legacy speaks for itself. We are here for the long term, any stadium redevelopment will happen over years – and we will be here to see it through.

What legacy, they haven't really done anything yet...

I want them to succeed, I really do but we have a mysterious funder or more in the background and still no real answers, a website (one now thankfully with no news since June)...
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« Reply #440 on: Thursday, February 22, 2018, 18:46:26 »

I don't think Axis have invested. They are a design company and would be employed for redesigning the CG?

I think Power got them in as a sponsor for that reason.

I am pretty sure they are just plumbers and possibly contractors?

b) all pretty smart and fairly successful in their chosen fields and there's a decent amount of business experience in there.

Maybe so, but I can show you 20 successful and pretty smart people with business experience who have no idea about property management nor development, a key part of my career is getting such people out of the shit!

Do those advocating Power seriously believe he and his chums will swan in stump up about 15 mill, conservative estimate, to build us a few new no doubt steel and breeze block stands? 


Just out of interest what do you think the Trust are going to build stands out of hemp, hope and dreams??

Modern football grounds are steel and block, they might have  fancy cladding but people are very cautious about that post Grenfell!

I reiterate they are probably my preferred option, but they need to piss or get off the pot!
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« Reply #441 on: Thursday, February 22, 2018, 20:40:24 »

Did anyone see this and the groundtastic site. Original design for the Arkells from the 1960s looks quite funky modernist

https://twitter.com/paul_gtastic/status/966598704101756928
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« Reply #442 on: Thursday, February 22, 2018, 21:03:28 »

interesting!
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« Reply #443 on: Friday, February 23, 2018, 10:19:00 »

If the club had owned the stadium, Jed would never have got his hands on it for a quid. Silly argument.

With an asset of that value there would've been plenty of suitors when Black decided to sell.
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« Reply #444 on: Friday, February 23, 2018, 11:14:09 »

If the club had owned the stadium, Jed would never have got his hands on it for a quid. Silly argument.

With an asset of that value there would've been plenty of suitors when Black decided to sell.
It's a perfectly valid example of why the club would have been more attractive to asset strippers. Agree it wouldn't have been Jed in that circumstance, but the prospect of being done over by slightly wealthier asset strippers doesn't appeal either
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« Reply #445 on: Friday, February 23, 2018, 11:16:02 »

If the club had owned the stadium, Jed would never have got his hands on it for a quid. Silly argument.

With an asset of that value there would've been plenty of suitors when Black decided to sell.
Finally some sense. This whole Jed argument is bollocks, chances are if we owned the ground all these years we would be a different proposition, Darragh Macanthony has said as much
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« Reply #446 on: Friday, February 23, 2018, 11:18:25 »

Finally some sense. This whole Jed argument is bollocks, chances are if we owned the ground all these years we would be a different proposition, Darragh Macanthony has said as much
Yes we would have been a much more attractive proposition to decent owners ... and to the kind of scum who stripped Portsmouth bare.
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« Reply #447 on: Friday, February 23, 2018, 11:23:02 »

Yes we would have been a much more attractive proposition to decent owners ... and to the kind of scum who stripped Portsmouth bare.
But that's just the risks Paul,we can't not want to move forward. We can argue that we shouldn't really trust the trust after what happened with Northampton.

I am going to go against what most think but if we get promoted this year and Power buys the ground and sells to a better equipped person to take us forward then we could argue he has been the best chairman we have had in a long time.

That eventuality is actually a 50/50 possibility so let's just wait and see.
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« Reply #448 on: Friday, February 23, 2018, 11:31:38 »

But that's just the risks Paul,we can't not want to move forward.
No-one was suggesting we don't want to move forward. We have two alternate possibilities in front of us of how we do that. Power getting the ground will probably achieve that quicker, I think you're right about that. But it comes with higher risks, whereas a form of community ownership could actually secure the club's future for years.

We can argue that we shouldn't really trust the trust after what happened with Northampton.
Eh? What did our Trust do to Northampton? And come to that, what did their Trust do? Do you mean Notts County?

I am going to go against what most think but if we get promoted this year and Power buys the ground and sells to a better equipped person to take us forward then we could argue he has been the best chairman we have had in a long time.
Completely agree with that. Problem is he's just as likely to sell to a dodgy consortium looking to asset strip, launder mafia money or use the ground as the entrance to a secret undergound base for a gang of international supervillains, whoever offers him the best return on his investment. The Trust owning the ground won't stop him selling to bad owners, but it will provide some degree of protection for what should be a community asset
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« Reply #449 on: Friday, February 23, 2018, 15:30:26 »

Still not a dicky bird from the Trust to their membership - just a few somewhat spun quotes in the Advertiser, is this the point where we can start moaning about them not keeping the fans informed and only talking to friendly media outlets, or is that just Power..... Hmmm

PS - not being strictly serious, but FFS!
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