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« Reply #30 on: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 23:07:52 »

Is is worth buying? FM in general seems to have become crack-proof of late.

I'm still running FM14. Am up to about 2042.

Tried FM17 but it was all clunky on my late 2011 2.4ghz i5 MacBook Pro, plus on '14 my Chelsea team have dominated world football for nearly thirty years now.

Also I'm quite into 'Project Highrise' on Steam.
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« Reply #31 on: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 23:28:50 »

I'm still running FM14. Am up to about 2042.

Tried FM17 but it was all clunky on my late 2011 2.4ghz i5 MacBook Pro, plus on '14 my Chelsea team have dominated world football for nearly thirty years now.

I feel ya.

I'm still on 2006. Lost a save game up at about 2040, but started again from an old save at 2024. 23 seasons of every trophy every season, apart from losing an FA cup. 436 game unbeaten run at the moment and generally win the prem by about game 27/28.

And my under 18s went last season without even conceding a goal.

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« Reply #32 on: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 23:48:15 »

Now that's something else!

Mine has longevity, but how have you done that with Swindon?! What's the ground capacity? I've moved from Stamford Bridge to the 60,000 'Zola Stadium' but for the last 10 years any expansion or move to a new ground has been blocked. Also about once every ten years I don't win the Prem and have about a 70% success rate in the Champs League.

I built the strongest winning team I could to begin with, now I'm generally trying to put out the best and youngest XI and squad that I can. So when a player hits 28, I start to think about selling or giving contracts of restricted length. If anyone can play in my starting eleven into their thirties, they really are a legend. Aaah, Zoltan Kovacs.........
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« Reply #33 on: Thursday, February 16, 2017, 11:36:47 »

Still running FM15, though tempted by 17 for 20 quid on Steam at the minute.

5 games into the 31-32 season, having won the Premiership for 5 of the last 7 seasons, and no lower than 2nd for the last 8. My youth intake is dire, but the facilities are top notch which is annoying. Trying to sift for gems in others trash is a ballache!
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« Reply #34 on: Thursday, February 16, 2017, 11:47:19 »

Trying to sift for gems in others trash is a ballache!

Sounds familiar.   Hmmm
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« Reply #35 on: Thursday, February 16, 2017, 11:50:47 »

I started with Swindon for one season got fed up with the tight purse strings so I leaked a meeting to the press and was sacked so I took on the Stevenage job in the National League.

Took them up to the Premier in 7 seasons and won the FA cup, stayed there till the 20-21 season with a couple of titles and mostly top 4 finishes, had a brand new 25,000 seater stadium named after me.

After you win a European trophy the budgets you get given are huge, even at Stevenage but keeping star players happy is another story and all want to move to bigger clubs after a year or so.

Sold a few young stars for £25m+ and got fed up so restarted with the database update with Swindon again and taking it gently with LP Cheesy
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« Reply #36 on: Thursday, February 16, 2017, 12:34:10 »

Started the new game pretty well, sat in 2nd place with Obika on 5 goals and Ajose already on 12 goals.

Settled in with a form of 4-3-3 formation I have been tweaking a bit.



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« Reply #37 on: Thursday, February 16, 2017, 12:43:51 »

wish i had more time to play FM these days. The last one i played religiously i started with Swindon and ended at Sevilla in 2065
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« Reply #38 on: Thursday, February 16, 2017, 12:50:24 »

wish i had more time to play FM these days. The last one i played religiously i started with Swindon and ended at Sevilla in 2065
Being at home recovering from my treatments helps my game time a lot!
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« Reply #39 on: Thursday, February 16, 2017, 20:12:09 »

Now that's something else!

Mine has longevity, but how have you done that with Swindon?! What's the ground capacity? I've moved from Stamford Bridge to the 60,000 'Zola Stadium' but for the last 10 years any expansion or move to a new ground has been blocked. Also about once every ten years I don't win the Prem and have about a 70% success rate in the Champs League.

I built the strongest winning team I could to begin with, now I'm generally trying to put out the best and youngest XI and squad that I can. So when a player hits 28, I start to think about selling or giving contracts of restricted length. If anyone can play in my starting eleven into their thirties, they really are a legend. Aaah, Zoltan Kovacs.........

Ok, sit tight. Iíll write a pretty comprehensive list of things Iíve done, many of which I hope are applicable even in latter versions of fm. And Iíve never wrote so much about it all before, so itíd be nice to spew it out. Too Cool

Well for a start 2006 was easier for the lack of realism, so certain things are a piece of piss. I imagine generating money is just as easy though, but Iím just guessing.

What youíve done, is clearly more admirable though, I wonít sugar coat it, although my previous post tried to, but thereís an element of cheating there, not so much now, but years ago there was. I donít lose, because for long periods, a long time ago, Iíd continually play the same team until I beat them and learnt how. I do still rage quit and I do go on holiday for a day when playing teams I know are a challenge - and my assistant manager always wins - with 442.

The CG is 60k currently and pretty much always at capacity. Every season I get a 3500 expansion, so I want it to be the biggest and have the highest average in time.

The A.I. would appear to stop you winning so comprehensively in more modern versions, but even in mine you can feel it happening. Itís why I used to cheat. Iíd be on an immense streak and Iíd be losing to some shit cunt outfit without so much as a whimper, so I started replaying those same games in real time and adjusting settings around my one and only formation until I work out how they tear me a new one. Now, because of that, I can generally get most teams cracked pretty early and can overcome an opposition lead fairly easily if I really have to.

What I do is similar in a way to you. Although I like to sell by 25 if I can. If not I may just hang onto them until theyíre of no use and rotate them in and around the team.

The way I did it, was focus on money, getting it in that is. In January, every season, I search for players out of contract at the end of the season and under 25, any that have reasonable worth, or might be worth something at the end of the following season, I offer a contract to simply sell on asap. Itís free money and most will never even kick a ball for me, although might provide good backup. Sometimes they're ok, but mostly if they have no compensation, it's easy to sell them for a few million in the Jan window or next season.

Then I almost exclusively buy youths - and I canít see any stats for these youths, but thereís a trick in finding out how god they are. I sign youths in 3 ways. Firstly the second we get a new batch of youths I go into EVERY SINGLE TEAM in the PL and champ U18s and offer contracts to all those that have value (and my assistant says are varying degrees of good - more on this shortly) or set reminders for 17th birthdays (more on this in a moment).

They only show a value for about a day, so it's easy to see the gems - this is also true for all other leagues. You have to go into each team, as player search only shows a fraction of the players in the game.

I secondly spend hours going through most teams youths on the continent and offer contracts to the best.

The way I judge quality is I offered a contract to the best scout in the game as my assistant manager, then when I offer a contract to a youth if it says "not worth while" they'll probably be shite, but if they look ok (after I request a scout report) and the compo figure seems high, I'll get them anyway as I might flip them for £1m or more in a few seasons to a championship side at worst.

If my assistant manager says "is a talented youngsterĒ when I offer the contact, Iíll push the boat out. If I see the words ďhas considerable talent" I have kittens as they'll likely be world class. If he says, ďneeds work before ready for first team footballĒ theyíll be good to great and Iíll be able to flog them in 3-4 years for good money or use them in my team.

Many players wonít be interested. This is not because they love their club, itís because they've only just moved to the respective clubs and need a season to settle, or to become 17.

So the good ones I set a reminder for the day of their 17th birthday and/or the end of the following summer window and offer them double to triple what they request. Maybe itís a bug, but I donít think it is, but the clubís who own these kids, only offer them pro terms on their 17th birthday and therefore you can too, and theyíre open to a move, unlike when they were 16.

Then whenever there's any youth internationals I go into every teamís under 21/20/18 and try to sign any new sub 17 year old players, see what my assistant manager says (obviously for all youths so far mentioned I canít see their stats) and set reminders for their 17th birthdays if they can't or won't sign.

Essentially I have 100+ players in my team and bring in about £100-£200mm in fees every season. I have a £2b budget. The only players I sign who arenít youngsters are exceptional players Iíve missed (and arenít yet ridiculous money) or Brazilians as they canít be signed until theyíre 18 - obviously.

I buy fuck all at a high price, it's all youths growing up. I might some times be forced to buy if I can shift a key player at a great price, then I might be forced to spend £10m-£20m bridging a gap - although this is rare, I generally have a youth or 2 ready to step up immediately.

I try to shift most players by 24-25 as I normally have loads waiting in the wings that already play in most cups and are likely to be future world class players or thereabouts.

Pretty much every team in the PL (and most European leagues) is riddled with my players. This season I've signed 51 players (for £44m total) and sold 59 for £177m.

I do want to try a newer version, but I hate losing with a passion now and canít deal with the non-wins! Plus, itís just a bit of occasional fun now, I only play it for a few hours each month and I could imagine a new one being a blackhole for my time, as this once was.

tl;dr cheaters prosper.
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« Reply #40 on: Thursday, February 16, 2017, 20:21:38 »

You'd hate FM17.
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« Reply #41 on: Thursday, February 16, 2017, 23:06:29 »

or set reminders for 17th birthdays (more on this in a moment).

Out of context this is not a good statement.
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« Reply #42 on: Friday, February 17, 2017, 07:30:57 »

Still running FM15, though tempted by 17 for 20 quid on Steam at the minute.

5 games into the 31-32 season, having won the Premiership for 5 of the last 7 seasons, and no lower than 2nd for the last 8. My youth intake is dire, but the facilities are top notch which is annoying. Trying to sift for gems in others trash is a ballache!

If you buy it let us know.
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« Reply #43 on: Friday, February 17, 2017, 09:38:51 »

Wow Barry that was a rant and a half Cheesy

I like the new FM17, its more consistant in many areas than before but budgets are tight, its much more about team bonding, praising players and fitness rather than tactics so that in itself adds a bit extra variety to the game.

I have yet to go more than about 15 games without a random defeat to a lowly league side and its very difficult to keep clean sheets, especially back to back clean sheet, I don't think I have ever kept 3 in a row so far.

I always get in a good tactitian and motivator, with a good eye for player ability when I bring in a new assistant manager and let him handle all pre, post match and HT talks but I choose team and tactics.....my God I seem to be Tim Sherwood!

Budgets seem tight and transfer fees excessively high even for lower league players, I still go rooting round lower leagues for gems and try and buy for free or very cheap, sometimes taking the risk on foreign youngsters who have high potential when scouted but normally its English, Scottish and Irish players, there are so few Welsh and Norn Iron players who are any good in the game but Scotland is a treasure trove of future stars for me.

hat tactics are you playing Sonic? do you stick with one and go with it through thick and thin or do you have a home and an away tactic? or mix and match?
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« Reply #44 on: Friday, February 17, 2017, 12:05:36 »

I use 4-1-2-2-1 so a holding mid, attacking wing backs (Thompson still doing a great job at 30 for me), midfielders bombing forward, inside forwards and a sort of target man in the middle. I play on the counter unless I'm a favourite, it's been very mixed. Highest finish I've managed is 12th
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