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« Reply #300 on: Tuesday, October 9, 2018, 11:29:31 »

The problem I have with it is that the whole thing is heading towards an internal war. Its the same old, same old. But the issue this time is that I don't really care as much about the main characters as I used to.

I'm sure the helicopter people with give some new direction in story, but will it be enough..

The episode itself was OK, certainly the last 10 minutes of horsing around was very good Wink

Oh, and Rick - I'd be surprised if he was killed off with no chance of return.
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« Reply #301 on: Tuesday, October 9, 2018, 12:35:02 »

I'll save you a big write up...yet  Wink

That was, as Chubbs said a decent set up episode ( wasn't overly action packed). I liked how they went to they Natural History Museum in Washington DC to collect crucial seeds from the seed banks that all big museums have. It made more sense and with modern use items going into decline and nature starting to take over (ok it was enhanced) but it seemed the right direction. Of course they've relied on resources that they have purely looted in the past. Those resources are limited so I like that touch and the crumbling, vine covered Capitol House was a great backdrop. I hope we see a bit more of it.

There was no "hanging around" with Gregory up to his snakey tricks again and he really had become a character you totally hate (a bit like the annoying Saviour prisoner from S8, Jared?).

I like the individual character development already. Maggie going darker, Daryl as good as ever (hope they dropped the Last Action Hero parts with him and Rick in S8), Carol getting more screen time again. Rick setting the tone for something new...except there is still a disgruntled underbelly within certain Saviours. For me if Carol goes to the Sanctuary she'll just "shoot on site" or knife several in their sleep. She's not backwards in coming forwards.

It's no surprise the coincidence of a slightly more realistic approach and more focus on the 3 or 4 main characters/couples, comes with Scott Gimple becoming the showrunner for the wider TWD world and Angela Kang becoming the Lead Showrunner for TWD. I hope she can make it work and offer some better plot definition.

Things I wasn't so fussed about; The character who got kicked by the horse who subsequently died. There was a lot of time spent on that, yet as a viewer we didn't really know (or even know at all) who it was, so I wasn't fussed about them. It obviously was essential to the Gregory mini story arc, so is forgivable but whoever it was, I didn't have long enough to feel the same emotion as the Hilltop inhabitants did. Only, time has passed so he may well have been someone they were well accustomed to. Not a core character so meh on him.

I do like the little tickles of growing tension and if they do it right it can make for a good first 4 episodes. I want, as the season goes on, to find out more about "Helicopter gang" as they can't have just cameoed to give "guidance on rebuilding a future" then buggered off? So would like to see much more of them or what their motive is.

It will be interesting to see how Rick's final few episodes cumulate (yes I wish I didn't know he was leaving). Many saying he will be killed but I think they've filmed several scenarios because it's something he could come back to (a la Morgan). I definitely think a break from the role is what's needed for Andrew Lincoln's career. He's seen so many of his fellow cast members go on and be involved in some top films and series but I can't rule out a return to TWD at some point, regardless of what all the so called  "in the know" people have written. However, if/when he is killed, who do you think is going to do it?

I'll leave that there. There is much more to talk about ( I guess) but to conclude, I think the start of this season sets us up better than the start of S8 did (that was just a continuation of All out War which never really answered much and had plots all over the shop, it got better as it came to the S8:B and Corals death), with a direction of building for the future and realising that they're probably a little more insignificant than they thought.

Also loving the ever more decaying walkers and Greg Nicotero continues to bring us the very best in the "undead". As well as the more natural, overgrown environment. New opening title credits look great too. I wonder if we can glean anything from them for future episodes too (like previous opening credits)?

Cheers,

Bamboo  Smiley
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« Reply #302 on: Tuesday, October 9, 2018, 15:15:27 »

I'll save you a big write up...yet  Wink

That was, as Chubbs said a decent set up episode ( wasn't overly action packed). I liked how they went to they Natural History Museum in Washington DC to collect crucial seeds from the seed banks that all big museums have. It made more sense and with modern use items going into decline and nature starting to take over (ok it was enhanced) but it seemed the right direction. Of course they've relied on resources that they have purely looted in the past. Those resources are limited so I like that touch and the crumbling, vine covered Capitol House was a great backdrop. I hope we see a bit more of it.

There was no "hanging around" with Gregory up to his snakey tricks again and he really had become a character you totally hate (a bit like the annoying Saviour prisoner from S8, Jared?).

I like the individual character development already. Maggie going darker, Daryl as good as ever (hope they dropped the Last Action Hero parts with him and Rick in S8), Carol getting more screen time again. Rick setting the tone for something new...except there is still a disgruntled underbelly within certain Saviours. For me if Carol goes to the Sanctuary she'll just "shoot on site" or knife several in their sleep. She's not backwards in coming forwards.

It's no surprise the coincidence of a slightly more realistic approach and more focus on the 3 or 4 main characters/couples, comes with Scott Gimple becoming the showrunner for the wider TWD world and Angela Kang becoming the Lead Showrunner for TWD. I hope she can make it work and offer some better plot definition.

Things I wasn't so fussed about; The character who got kicked by the horse who subsequently died. There was a lot of time spent on that, yet as a viewer we didn't really know (or even know at all) who it was, so I wasn't fussed about them. It obviously was essential to the Gregory mini story arc, so is forgivable but whoever it was, I didn't have long enough to feel the same emotion as the Hilltop inhabitants did. Only, time has passed so he may well have been someone they were well accustomed to. Not a core character so meh on him.

I do like the little tickles of growing tension and if they do it right it can make for a good first 4 episodes. I want, as the season goes on, to find out more about "Helicopter gang" as they can't have just cameoed to give "guidance on rebuilding a future" then buggered off? So would like to see much more of them or what their motive is.

It will be interesting to see how Rick's final few episodes cumulate (yes I wish I didn't know he was leaving). Many saying he will be killed but I think they've filmed several scenarios because it's something he could come back to (a la Morgan). I definitely think a break from the role is what's needed for Andrew Lincoln's career. He's seen so many of his fellow cast members go on and be involved in some top films and series but I can't rule out a return to TWD at some point, regardless of what all the so called  "in the know" people have written. However, if/when he is killed, who do you think is going to do it?

I'll leave that there. There is much more to talk about ( I guess) but to conclude, I think the start of this season sets us up better than the start of S8 did (that was just a continuation of All out War which never really answered much and had plots all over the shop, it got better as it came to the S8:B and Corals death), with a direction of building for the future and realising that they're probably a little more insignificant than they thought.

Also loving the ever more decaying walkers and Greg Nicotero continues to bring us the very best in the "undead". As well as the more natural, overgrown environment. New opening title credits look great too. I wonder if we can glean anything from them for future episodes too (like previous opening credits)?

Cheers,

Bamboo  Smiley

Exactly what i was going to say....

The guy who got kicked by a horse was Ken, i thought maybe i missed something because i didn't have a clue who he was either.
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« Reply #303 on: Tuesday, October 9, 2018, 17:58:09 »

So does that mean there were two "Kens" then because I thought the Korean guy who is a gatekeeper at Hilltop was called Ken too? Maybe I made that up?

Nice touch that Maggie called her kid Hershel and even more meaningful as Scott Wilson, the actor who played Hershel Greene died on the same day (October 7th) he was announced as going to be in some of the episodes this season (how, I don't know but probably through some kind of flashback maybe). He was only 76. I didn't realise he'd been in some great films in his life and also starred alongside Robert Redford to name a few. RIP Hershel.
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« Reply #304 on: Tuesday, October 16, 2018, 10:27:12 »

Have i missed an episode or something? Did not enjoy this episode at all. It seems like there was a massive gap form the end of the last episode where Maggie was looking ready to overthrow the current regime.
I know mending the bridge was mentioned in the last episode but it just seems like they have missed a lot out.  I don't know.

And whats with the porn fest between Gabriel and whats her face. Now i'm no prude, but there is a time and a place.

Oh and that helicopters back again..
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« Reply #305 on: Tuesday, October 16, 2018, 11:05:01 »

It was a slow chugger yesterday for sure. No you didn't miss one.

Do you think they are setting up a "who killed Mr Burns" ending for Rick? Last week Maggie got stroppy, this week Daryl got stroppy. Next week....

Re: The helicopter. Did we see in an earlier series whoever was on guard already see the helicopter? Only you'd think she'd be a bit more excited/vocal about it if not.

I still can't tell me Rosita from me extras

edit: Wait, was it Jadis? Or did she go off last year.?

Also, The Savious going missing is interesting.
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« Reply #306 on: Tuesday, October 16, 2018, 11:42:34 »

It was a slow chugger yesterday for sure. No you didn't miss one.

Do you think they are setting up a "who killed Mr Burns" ending for Rick? Last week Maggie got stroppy, this week Daryl got stroppy. Next week....

Re: The helicopter. Did we see in an earlier series whoever was on guard already see the helicopter? Only you'd think she'd be a bit more excited/vocal about it if not.

I still can't tell me Rosita from me extras

edit: Wait, was it Jadis? Or did she go off last year.?

Also, The Savious going missing is interesting.

We saw the chopper last season when Jadis (Anne as she is now) tried to flag it down at the scrap yard.
Jadis was the one on watch in this past episode when it hovered over again. 
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« Reply #307 on: Tuesday, October 16, 2018, 12:11:42 »

Ah, didn't recognise her with normal hair Smiley Saw it mentioned it was her elsewhere. Think some of this is passing me by!

That explains that then. She knows more than anybody about them. May actually be one of them.
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« Reply #308 on: Tuesday, October 16, 2018, 13:43:44 »

I enjoyed that episode. I think the dynamics between the main characters are really interesting and there is trouble brewing for sure. Will be very interesting to see how it develops.
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« Reply #309 on: Tuesday, October 16, 2018, 19:30:21 »

Have i missed an episode or something? Did not enjoy this episode at all. It seems like there was a massive gap form the end of the last episode where Maggie was looking ready to overthrow the current regime.
I know mending the bridge was mentioned in the last episode but it just seems like they have missed a lot out.  I don't know.

I thought it was more an airliner than a helicopter?

And whats with the porn fest between Gabriel and whats her face. Now i'm no prude, but there is a time and a place.

Oh and that helicopters back again..
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« Reply #310 on: Tuesday, October 16, 2018, 23:53:23 »

Well S9 underway quite nicely now. I think this already has much better direction than the middle third of S8 had altogether. The best thing, is there isn't about 6295 plots going on, that's how S8 lost its way in the middle. Recovered somewhat towards the end.

No Chubbs, you haven't missed anything. Strangely, I thought it linked fairly nicely from E1 as it left us with ultimately, Gregory getting his comeuppance and Rick arranging a gang to build the bridge. That there is the shortest ever synopsis/review of TWD you'll ever see!


I enjoyed the narration by Rick which kind of flowed from start to end, as we find out he's talking to Negan in his cell (I think most of us knew that, although he could've been sounding out to Coral). Basically Rick rubs it in a bit letting Negan know they're doing fine without him.

The rest of the episode is seemingly centred around developing relationships, Carol and Ezequiel 'get engaged', Father Gabriel gets a knob job from Anne (Jadis). I'm actually cool with that and over the course of TWD we haven't seen much relationship action. Let's face it, at the 'end of the world' there'd be a lot of fast love going down. I think they get it right on balance without actually going full sex scene. I mean Game of Porns...sorry Game of Thrones really threw the graphic scenes out there for a while. We can argue a different time setting but people get horny regardless of the century we're in. Any way, we're all adults. They got it right, I think.

The best action elements for me came from the logging scene and subsequently the 'fresh out of Siddiq's Med School' Enid, showing inexperience by using pictures from a medical book to saw Aaron's arm off with a bone saw. Straight out of a 1700s field surgeon. Absolutely cracking and Aaron played a great part there. Maybe this was the 'Rick losing his hand' moment which I talked about happening last season? If so, could this soon be the end for Aaron? Seeing as when Herschel had his leg chopped off in S3 it wasn't long after he was then beheaded by the Governor. How I crave those days (yet I believe we've sensitised to the gore of TWD now). Who knows but my guess would be he could be gone soon. He already got the role of a Marvel character, Red Skull in Infinity War and he could potentially do more in that universe.

I enjoyed the mirroring between Rick's narration to Negan and Maggie's chat with the imprisoned Earl? It also adds a further mirroring to her own experience of her father's struggle with alcohol. Of course, Herschel also wet sober, so even though we aren't familiar with Earl and his family the backstory begs similarity to likely many families. In this case, it's Maggie who is reflective and so eventually lets Earl free, under supervision (after some insight from both Jesus and Michonne).

Wrapping up the episode concludes with everything being a bit more settled and we get a cut to Anne (she's still Jadis to me) on the Cherry Picker and spots the Helicopter again. This throws back to a couple of instances in S8, once when Jadis was signalling while at the Junkyard and also when Rick was heading there to ask them for help we get a brief glimpse. This was also around the time that 'Georgie' and her two Beastie Boys extras came and delivered the information in exchange for goods. The info, in the form of books featured in this episode as Rick throws down the "A Key to a New Life" or similar. Anyway, I think Jadis...sorry Anne, knows something about the helicopter, whether for good or bad.

Finally finally. We get a good end scene with the Saviour who Rick banishes back to Sanctuary. We play the first person view and he recognises 'us' and talks with familiarity saying something like "What are you doing out here?", suddenly the Saviour gets taken out and we cut to end credits. I'm not so intrigued by the Saviour being taken out because there's plenty who are pissed at him but i'm more interested to know who 'we' were. I've tried to think and can't really nail it down. It wouldn't be any of the Alexandria/Hilltop/Kingdom/Oceanside because his response would've been more angered. He knew them for sure so they must be Saviours...and we don't know many Saviours...possibly Eugene? He's a type to be hiding in trees at night but then he likes his comforts. Then I thought what about Dwight? Maybe he's coming back in to it? It then only leaves one of the Saviour women but they were all at the base by the bridge...hmm any thoughts as to who it could be and were they collaborating with whoever took out...Justin...that's the guy who caused the fight!

One final thing, well actually two. Loved Tara's (Terror)  endearing call sign to Rick...Mother Goose. Great bit of comedy. The final thing I'll leave you with is;

When that walker herd turned direction (after the failed siren), and we got a close up...was it just me or did one of those walkers gargle the words 'That way'...I'm not 100% convinced and have watched back. If you want to check it out it's the bits leading up to the log crushing Aaron's arm. it does sound like the walker is giving direction...hmmm. I may just be imagining it.

Anyway, I think the season is ticking along nicely, Rick isn't quite keeping things together and there's a few questions to answer, along with developing plots. Got to love Negan's parting shot to Rick while he's in the shadows of his cell "You're not saving the World Rick! You're just getting it ready for me." Likely the lines of the episode.

Ok, I'm out. See ya next week.

Bamboo!
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« Reply #311 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2018, 07:25:37 »

ah, the book, didn't pick up on its origin. thanks
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« Reply #312 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2018, 08:43:36 »

The saviour guy played Charles Vane in Black Sails.. Surely that was Darryl clocking him one?
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« Reply #313 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2018, 10:33:47 »

ah, the book, didn't pick up on its origin. thanks

Yep 'Georgie and the Beastie Boys' dropped it off  Wink
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« Reply #314 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2018, 10:36:19 »

The saviour guy played Charles Vane in Black Sails.. Surely that was Darryl clocking him one?

I think we're being led to think that after they had beef on the bridge. It could be Daryl taking him out but I don't mean that, I meant the person in the FPV ie 'the cameraman'. Justin spoke to him/her like they were very familiar and not a threat.
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