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« Reply #30 on: Monday, May 16, 2016, 15:03:47 »

The 2003 comment was response to the Jan Koller comment above. Apologies.

The Leicester comparison is lazy. Nothing wrong with a simple game . Everything wrong with a constantly changing game plan, or no game plan, which taking Carroll after 4 years of international wilderness would suggest.

But the default setting for English football has always been (and remains - see Fellaini at Man Utd), if you are losing in the last 10 minutes lump it up to a big man, its a system that the whole team will know what to do. Don't really think that Carroll is an option and he is as fragile as Sturridge and Wilshire.
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« Reply #31 on: Monday, May 16, 2016, 16:27:50 »

Taking Wilshire and Delph is a crime. Townsend is a bizarre choice. And I'd pick Defoe over Rashford.
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« Reply #32 on: Monday, May 16, 2016, 16:30:57 »

But the default setting for English football has always been (and remains - see Fellaini at Man Utd), if you are losing in the last 10 minutes lump it up to a big man, its a system that the whole team will know what to do. Don't really think that Carroll is an option and he is as fragile as Sturridge and Wilshire.
If you're losing a game and plan A isn't working then I don't see anything wrong with that style.
I wouldn't start Carroll, but having a player like him on the bench at least gives you other options if it's not happening on the park.
We'll get like for like subs I'm sure and a way of playing that won't adapt much if at all. Let's hope it works.
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« Reply #33 on: Monday, May 16, 2016, 18:18:22 »

It wouldn't be a true England match without a shite Milner corner would it?

Smalling and Wilshere though. Grim.
I can see us being pretty good to watch on the counter at least.   Yay

Townsend is adequate imo. Obviously not brilliant but he puts a decent enough shift in. There aren't many alternatives.
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« Reply #34 on: Monday, May 16, 2016, 18:20:00 »

I rate Smalling, he's the best centre half we have by far.
I also like Wilshere, when he's fit, which isn't often enough, he is an outstanding footballer.
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« Reply #35 on: Monday, May 16, 2016, 18:31:51 »

Townsend is a bizarre choice.

Not really....we've been short of left sided midfielders/wingers for ages.  Townsend was just about ourbest player a while ago, and is something like a Welbeck, a rarity, someone who plays better for the national team than for their club side.

I'd take a Welbeck over a Sturridge/Sterling type, who largely seem to play for themselves. (Yes I know he's injured)
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« Reply #36 on: Monday, May 16, 2016, 21:13:16 »

If you're losing a game and plan A isn't working then I don't see anything wrong with that style.
I wouldn't start Carroll, but having a player like him on the bench at least gives you other options if it's not happening on the park.
We'll get like for like subs I'm sure and a way of playing that won't adapt much if at all. Let's hope it works.
Agree with this. If we play Spain at some point we aren't going to out football them, we will need to try something different and going direct against their back line could be effective.
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« Reply #37 on: Monday, May 16, 2016, 22:45:45 »

I'd have taken Carroll purely for the mix it up factor is we aren't doing well. I still remember going nuts from his goal in the euros against Sweden
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« Reply #38 on: Friday, June 3, 2016, 08:19:41 »

 Well last night's game, was a classic  Smiley  I did wonder if it was a deliberate tactic to completely bewilder watching scouts, as to what we might do in the Euros....but then kept on thinking of watching Gary Neville's Valencia who were similarly hopeless.

 What I found even more bizarre, was the pundits rattling on about England playing a diamond formation, when it seemed more like a 4-3-3.

 Bruno Alves' foot, the highest I've seen since the Battle of Santiago 1962....impressive 
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« Reply #39 on: Friday, June 3, 2016, 08:40:41 »

I watched it to see if it was worth watching the euro games. Saw the same old turgid crap that has been rinsed and repeated for 20 years. Solution seems simple to me, drop rooney and let everyone play their proper positions. He wont of course, so early exit very probable.
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« Reply #40 on: Friday, June 3, 2016, 08:41:49 »

Not a great game. Don't think Vardy and Kane are helped by having to track back, and we're trying to play too many central forwards just because it's the position we're strongest in, reminds me of trying to get Scholes/Lampard/Gerrard all into a team years ago. Wilshere looked good when he came on, still think if he's anywhere near fit he's our best central midfielder, and I think you need to play one of Lallana/Sterling to add a small amount of width and crossing ability.

I'd probably go with the following for the Euros:

.................Hart...................
Rose...Cahill...Smalling...Walker
.................Dier.....................
........Wilshere...Ali.................
..............Sterling..................
...........Rooney....Kane............


But then again we seem to have a lot of centre forwards and a lot of players who'd like to play in the hole... fitting them into a sensible formation is actually quite tough.

Oh, and the Alves tackle was hilarious. What on earth was he thinking?
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« Reply #41 on: Friday, June 3, 2016, 08:58:01 »

I watched it to see if it was worth watching the euro games. Saw the same old turgid crap that has been rinsed and repeated for 20 years. Solution seems simple to me, drop rooney and let everyone play their proper positions. He wont of course, so early exit very probable.

It was a terrible game, but the context of a friendly just over a week before a tournament has to be considered....players not giving it full gas etc.

We're in a difficult group...Russia, will be hard to beat, Slovakia beat Spain in qualifying, and won in Germany at the weekend, and Wales is a derby, I can't see them producing the sort of half arsed tournament display we now seem to specialise in.

I do get playing Rooney, given the lack of experience elsewhere in the side, but thought I'd read he's been playing more as a midfielder for ManU this season, not up front as he appeared to be trying to do last night.
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« Reply #42 on: Friday, June 3, 2016, 09:01:47 »

Have to agree with Reg, awful game.  Too many square pegs in round holes, Rooney being a prime example - seemed a bit lost in the position he played last night and kept running into a brick wall - most did to be truthful.  In my opinion we seem to play better and with more freedom when Rooney isn't in the side!
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« Reply #43 on: Friday, June 3, 2016, 09:06:14 »

I went to the game, it was shit. Playing vardy out wide is a waste of time. Play vardy/kane up front with sterling in behind and have rooney on the bench. We might have a chance then
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« Reply #44 on: Friday, June 3, 2016, 09:19:15 »

I hadn't seen the Turkey or Oz games so decided to watch last night to see if we have any hope going into Euro 2016. Of course you can't base warm up games on how we are going to do in the tournament, but if you did, I doubt we'd get out of the group.

Wayne Rooney seems to be an issue. He's been an excellent servant for England but with Kane and Vardy above him in the pecking order, we are trying to shoe-horn him into the team. In the first half almost everything he did was bad, almost as if he was trying too hard.

As Nemo said, Wilshere looked decent coming on, and Alli started quite brightly but otherwise individually we were pretty poor. Too many hollywood passes in the first half overhit etc. Actually now I think back, the wing-backs in Rose and Walker were probably our best players.

Finally, please take fucking Harry Kane off of set-pieces, the corner he hit in the first half along the ground straight to a Portugal player should have had him immediately taken off. Surely we need his height in the box from corners?
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