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« Reply #285 on: Friday, June 1, 2018, 14:22:38 »

Didnít realise permission was needed for grass pitches. With their already being a clubhouse on site with adjacent parking why is that an issue?

Canít work out who is dragging their heels on this.
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« Reply #286 on: Friday, June 1, 2018, 15:24:41 »

I thought that when the 4G pitches were up and running they would be available to us commoners for 5-a-side and suchlike. Need lights for that.

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... into a training ground and headquarters for the football club as well as a community asset, with an all-weather 4G pitch and nine full size pitches

The plans presented were for nine pitches. Nine. +1x4G...That's quite a lot of pitches...
I assume then from Horlock's post that this proposal never arrived at formal application stage
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« Reply #287 on: Friday, June 1, 2018, 17:11:52 »

Seems to me that the training ground development and the purchase of SN1 are linked, in as much as Power needs money for both, relegation to Div4 has probably put a dent in those aspirations and tantalising sell on fee for Fred Flintstone hasnít materialised either. Step forward the ground developers sometime in the near future.
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« Reply #288 on: Monday, June 4, 2018, 10:20:15 »

Canít work out who is dragging their heels on this.

Much as it pains me to say so, cannot see where any blame can lie with the Council on this one, the club have had unfettered consent to do the initial works to get training on site for nearly 2 years now....

The plans presented were for nine pitches. Nine. +1x4G...That's quite a lot of pitches...
I assume then from Horlock's post that this proposal never arrived at formal application stage

The only application submitted relates to the temporary works to get the site occupied for first team training, that has had consent for nearly 2 years now and neither that has happened or any subsequent application submitted (for reasons unknown)

Seems to me that the training ground development and the purchase of SN1 are linked, in as much as Power needs money for both, relegation to Div4 has probably put a dent in those aspirations and tantalising sell on fee for Fred Flintstone hasnít materialised either. Step forward the ground developers sometime in the near future.

The only financial that seems to be holding up the development for the training ground is the cost of laying out the parking which has to be complete before the use can be commenced, the earlier pictures seems to suggest that the pitches have been laid out so who knows?


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« Reply #289 on: Monday, June 4, 2018, 12:37:33 »

Can someone hire a helicopter and go and take a birds eye view to see if anything has been done
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« Reply #290 on: Monday, June 4, 2018, 13:09:46 »

Much as it pains me to say so, cannot see where any blame can lie with the Council on this one, the club have had unfettered consent to do the initial works to get training on site for nearly 2 years now....

The only application submitted relates to the temporary works to get the site occupied for first team training, that has had consent for nearly 2 years now and neither that has happened or any subsequent application submitted (for reasons unknown)

The only financial that seems to be holding up the development for the training ground is the cost of laying out the parking which has to be complete before the use can be commenced, the earlier pictures seems to suggest that the pitches have been laid out so who knows?

That is my point. I have no idea how big this car park is or how much this is going to cost. However you look at it nothings been done and therefore one has to assume that no money has been paid out to do this. Why? The question is not directed at you or anyone on the forum, moreso to Power. Seeing as heís unlikely to come on here to expand on the this I deduce he either does not have or is unwilling to spend the money, yet....As I mentioned relegation has hurt him in the pocket and nothing substantial has come via the transfer market (Flintstone), so my money is on a tie in with the ground developers in some way.



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« Reply #291 on: Monday, June 4, 2018, 13:43:48 »


That is my point. I have no idea how big this car park is or how much this is going to cost. However you look at it nothings been done and therefore one has to assume that no money has been paid out to do this. Why? The question is not directed at you or anyone on the forum, moreso to Power. Seeing as heís unlikely to come on here to expand on the this I deduce he either does not have or is unwilling to spend the money, yet....As I mentioned relegation has hurt him in the pocket and nothing substantial has come via the transfer market (Flintstone), so my money is on a tie in with the ground developers in some way.


Car park is enough for 30 motors, plan can be found here - if the link works....

http://pa1.swindon.gov.uk/publicaccess/files/1FD8A23500C04A89465B8E50461BE152/pdf/S_COND_16_1311-TEMPORARY_PITCHES_SHOWING_PROVISION_FOR_VEHICLE_PARKING-544658.pdf

I strongly suspect that the elephant in the room might be the existing consent for 18 holiday lodges to be built on part of the site and specifically whether implementing the training ground application prejudices that consent?
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« Reply #292 on: Monday, June 4, 2018, 14:55:37 »

Car park is enough for 30 motors, plan can be found here - if the link works....

http://pa1.swindon.gov.uk/publicaccess/files/1FD8A23500C04A89465B8E50461BE152/pdf/S_COND_16_1311-TEMPORARY_PITCHES_SHOWING_PROVISION_FOR_VEHICLE_PARKING-544658.pdf

I strongly suspect that the elephant in the room might be the existing consent for 18 holiday lodges to be built on part of the site and specifically whether implementing the training ground application prejudices that consent?
Horlock, are you able to call on one of your associates at SBC's planning department for some inside info? I seem to recall you have memories of your dealings with them in the past Wink
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« Reply #293 on: Monday, June 4, 2018, 15:20:36 »

Car park is enough for 30 motors, plan can be found here - if the link works....

http://pa1.swindon.gov.uk/publicaccess/files/1FD8A23500C04A89465B8E50461BE152/pdf/S_COND_16_1311-TEMPORARY_PITCHES_SHOWING_PROVISION_FOR_VEHICLE_PARKING-544658.pdf

I strongly suspect that the elephant in the room might be the existing consent for 18 holiday lodges to be built on part of the site and specifically whether implementing the training ground application prejudices that consent?
Itís your specialist subject so I bow to your greater knowledge. It does smack of coming back to money. The 18 holiday lodges i imagine being In the valuation area of the Cotswold Hobourne? So cash generating circa £300-500k each? Even at £300k = £4.6m less building costs.
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« Reply #294 on: Monday, June 4, 2018, 15:40:25 »

Horlock, are you able to call on one of your associates at SBC's planning department for some inside info? I seem to recall you have memories of your dealings with them in the past Wink

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« Reply #295 on: Monday, June 4, 2018, 15:44:38 »

Itís your specialist subject so I bow to your greater knowledge. It does smack of coming back to money. The 18 holiday lodges i imagine being In the valuation area of the Cotswold Hobourne? So cash generating circa £300-500k each? Even at £300k = £4.6m less building costs.

It will need to be implemented by September this year or the consent will lapse (not to say that a technical start has not been made already!)....

http://pa1.swindon.gov.uk/publicaccess/files/51A35AAC83CAEFC86E4B3DE0143B4AAD/pdf/S_14_0823--505712.pdf

Conditions only allow 11 month of the year occupation which will obviously give values a bit of a hammering, not sure what sort of holiday hot spot Highworth is these days, although the chippy was always great when I was a kid!
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« Reply #296 on: Monday, June 4, 2018, 16:15:39 »

It will need to be implemented by September this year or the consent will lapse (not to say that a technical start has not been made already!)....

http://pa1.swindon.gov.uk/publicaccess/files/51A35AAC83CAEFC86E4B3DE0143B4AAD/pdf/S_14_0823--505712.pdf

Conditions only allow 11 month of the year occupation which will obviously give values a bit of a hammering, not sure what sort of holiday hot spot Highworth is these days, although the chippy was always great when I was a kid!

The 11 month occupancy is a common and standard caveat for this type of dwelling as you know, indeed a family member has a static caravan on the south coast and the site owners are replacing some of them on the higher elevation of the site with bungalows and these are two bed and start at £109k for a 20 year lease plus services at circa £4.5k per annum. The views are stunning if all you just want to do is look out to sea...so for the planned dwellings at Highworth i doubt more than £300k maybe less but it does generate some serious dosh however you look at it and as you rightly say is dependant on planning. I say Power is skint and by that I mean in relation to how you perceive millionaire football club owners to be financially. Has more money than me by a country mile but iím not trying to front up and run a football club.
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« Reply #297 on: Monday, June 4, 2018, 17:09:05 »

No Hmmm
My bad. That was meant to read 'fond' memories given I've seen you slating them on here before.
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« Reply #298 on: Monday, June 4, 2018, 17:36:56 »

Will any prospective holiday lodge purchaser be happy sharing the site with a football clubís entire footballing age groups?

Depress the price, I reckon. Which is why I think the very idea of Power and a training ground is nothing more than hot air.
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« Reply #299 on: Monday, June 4, 2018, 18:27:43 »

Will any prospective holiday lodge purchaser be happy sharing the site with a football clubís entire footballing age groups?

Depress the price, I reckon. Which is why I think the very idea of Power and a training ground is nothing more than hot air.
The key word in your comment is ĎShareí, I think the short answer is no. However, it must surely depend on the facilities these lodges have themselves and their proximity to the other facilities on site a bit like a private gated community which is fine but if there is fuck all to do what is the point? Also it wouldnít look good for anyone walking around their lodge in the buff being stared at by a load of kids would it? Equally being sat with the neighbours enjoying a BBQ and having a ĎCan we have our ball back Mr. pleaseí every five minutes. I will say it again, those lodges are his golden ticket to make the site viable. After all whatever he paid for it if the golf is decommissioned and the sole use is sports training as such then the income is going to be minimal, against the initial outlay substantial.
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