Let's Get Political!

[Nemo]

And you know this how?

Per the (Republican) governor of Utah in the Press Conference, the casings read:

"Notices bulges, oWo"
"If you are reading this, you are gay Lick my Arse Orifice" (obviously not with the TEF autocorrect)
"Hey fascist, catch"
“o Bella ciao (3x)"

There's some dark humour in listening to the governor having to read those out by the way.

Where did you get your contrary information from, was it a good source?

[horlock07]

There was some waffle about trans stuff scratched on 3 bullet cases left behind.

I was amazed at the number of trans people responsible for school shootings.

Are you referring to the TRN on the stock head, which actually relates to the manufacturer Turan Ammo. However others have noted that strangely Turan Ammo does not advertise selling or manufacturing a .30-06 round, the caliber used in the rifle recovered near the shooting so it appears that even the source material is possibly a lie to implicate a certain group.

As for the Trans School shooting things that’s another regularly used right wing dog whistle with little hard evidence to support it https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/robin-westman-transgender-mass-shooters-republican-gun-ban-b2820535.html

[Audrey]

Per the (Republican) governor of Utah in the Press Conference, the casings read:

"Notices bulges, oWo"
"If you are reading this, you are gay Lick my Arse Orifice" (obviously not with the TEF autocorrect)
"Hey fascist, catch"
“o Bella ciao (3x)"

There's some dark humour in listening to the governor having to read those out by the way.

Where did you get your contrary information from, was it a good source?

Sources are listed after each of those 5 examples.

[horlock07]

I imagine his lawyer is going to complicate jury selection with the literal president declaring him guilty and needing to be executed on live TV... I realise the guy simply can't be 'professional' in the usual sense but sweet Jesus.

I'm not sure whether its ignorance or that they just don't fucking care. Its all just to get headlines and clicks and fuck it if it prejudices the trial we can just blame the judges.

Little different to all the anti immigration flag bollocks over here at the moment https://bsky.app/profile/sturdyalex.bsky.social/post/3lyi3swvgic2m being driven by a bloke who has a previous conviction for human trafficking https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15054789/organiser-campaign-flags-ailed-plot-smuggle-illegal-immigrants.html (apologies for the Mail link but nI know it guarantees that at least one person will read it)

Plus the plethora of patriots out on the streets over the last 12 months who have prior convictions for domestic abuse https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/26/two-in-five-arrested-for-last-summers-uk-riots-had-been-reported-for-domestic-abuse or attempting to murder kids https://bsky.app/profile/belfasttelegraph.co.uk/post/3lyhktimtps27

[Nemo]

Sources are listed after each of those 5 examples.

I meant the shell casings one, but sure, let's take that point. You list some school shootings since 2018, of which Wiki suggests there have been 330 (a completely terrifying number, that is!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(2000%E2%80%93present)

Three of your examples are schools - one is a nightclub (and noted to be disputed), one is some other facility.

So that would 3/330 = 0.9%

It's not exactly a shocking percentage, is it?

https://www.theviolenceproject.org/key-findings/ Here's some people who've put a lot more effort into this sort of thing than you or I ever will. 98% of shooters (mass shootings, not specific to schools) are men.

[Audrey]

Which is why I said it was waffle.

Suspect named and pictured.

[Audrey]

I meant the shell casings one, but sure, let's take that point. You list some school shootings since 2018, of which Wiki suggests there have been 330 (a completely terrifying number, that is!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(2000%E2%80%93present)

Three of your examples are schools - one is a nightclub (and noted to be disputed), one is some other facility.

So that would 3/330 = 0.9%

It's not exactly a shocking percentage, is it?

https://www.theviolenceproject.org/key-findings/ Here's some people who've put a lot more effort into this sort of thing than you or I ever will. 98% of shooters (mass shootings, not specific to schools) are men.

0.5% of the population identify as transgender.

[Nemo]

Just go touch grass man, it's not worth it. Lesson for me too, no point arguing, nobody ever changed their mind on the internet. I'll just stick to dumb jokes, it's more fun that way.

[horlock07]

0.5% of the population identify as transgender.

Its actually c.1% in the states, as per that Indy link I posted earlier, but to use your example of 5 since 208, this website https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/ records that there have been 4156 mass shootings since 2018 (assuming my back of fag packet arithmetic is correct which is fucking horrifying), so actually 0.0012%.

Keep blaming minority groups if it makes you feel better, sadly the evidence points more to straight males being the main problem.

As an angry man from Sarf London has noted...

[Audrey]

See, this is what I mean. Any kind of criticism or ridicule is automatically categorised as hate.

Why should certain groups, religions and their followers be exempt from criticism or ridicule.

[TailBetweenLegs]

See, this is what I mean. Any kind of criticism or ridicule is automatically categorised as hate.

Why should certain groups, religions and their followers be exempt from criticism or ridicule.

Theyre not and no one has said it was hate speech but it's just standard that as per usual certain people will go straight for the minority as being the blame and totally ignore the majority.

After a while if it's all people focus on theres a good chance people will start to think you may have an issue with that group of people

[horlock07]

See, this is what I mean. Any kind of criticism or ridicule is automatically categorised as hate.

Why should certain groups, religions and their followers be exempt from criticism or ridicule.

Criticise or ridicule whoever you like, but equally be prepared to back it up with evidence that stands up to a basic challenge following a 10 second google.

Apologies, its a massive bug bear of mine not on here but another forum I frequent occasionally where there are 2 or 3 people who will just parrot whatever unsubstantiated unevidenced shite is in the Mail of a day to such an extent that you can look at the papers bit on the BBC website of a morning and know what direction the political thread on that forum will be heading in that day.

Possibly the result of a very heavy history and law based education and career and having the need to have hard evidence for what one is reading/saying constantly drilled into me!

[Berniman]

It was a US newspaper that reported the details about the shell casings, might have been the Washington Post - they walked it back today and apologised saying that they had reported on what was thought to be a credible source.

[Legends-Lounge]

It was a US newspaper that reported the details about the shell casings, might have been the Washington Post - they walked it back today and apologised saying that they had reported on what was thought to be a credible source.

Ah the mysterious spokesperson. The left and right use then to their advantage and row back, printed and tv.

[Berniman]

It was the Wall Street Journal

A reported law enforcement bulletin from early in the investigation seemed to falsely describe the engravings as expressing "transgender ideology."