Let's Get Political!

[pauld]

I hear you and I’ll look deeper into it. I’m sure that there are those that label themselves as antifa but don’t condone the violence that I’ve, perhaps in my ignorance, come to associate with the word. And I am aware that they are considered a decentralised collective of people/groups who may have different ideologies but loosely unite under the same banner. For me, I’ve always been wary of labels as it’s too easy to be lumped in with the undesirables who share enough of your beliefs to unite under a banner but can also hold beliefs diametrically contrary to your own. I’m not sure what’s wrong with just calling yourself ‘anti-fascist’.

And yes, the news reports of black clad, face covered thugs is what I’m basing my opinion on. If they don’t represent what antifa means then I’ll be happy to change my views. Unfortunately for anyone labelling themselves as antifa there’s already quite a widespread perception of them as being involved in radical left wing, anarchistic unrest. Even if that perception is unfair, it’s still the perception.

That's a fair point, especially what's wrong with calling yourself "anti-fascist". I guess because that's what antifa always meant, always stood for, going back to the 90s, it's only comparatively recently it's been changed to the specific association with "black clad thugs" (we're all face covered these days!) that you were referring to. Set against that, if that is the general perception these days then those who choose to label themselves explicitly antifa could perhaps be accused of deliberately seeking to align themselves with that end of things? I'm just very wary because it's used as a generic smear by association by the far-right and far-right media such as Fox - antifa=violent anarchists; anyone who calls themselves antifascists, irrespective of methods = antifa; therefore anyone who opposes us are violent antifa scum.

[pauld]

Johnson's "Global Britain" defence review will slash the size of the army and move focus away from Europe to focus instead on Asia, to the despair of our NATO allies. Putin's disappointment at losing his asset in the Whitehouse must be offset by the way his asset in No 10 is earning his crust.

https://www.ft.com/content/4a002266-21ee-495e-83c6-7baeebffdd52

But don't worry about our economy being trashed and our national security being sold down the river because some minor celeb's done an interview that caused some jumped up fucking newsreader to have a strop. Truly we get the govt we deserve

[Ardiles]

If you're OK with this, you need to ask yourself why.  Tory corruption in public view.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/11/covid-test-kit-supplier-joked-matt-hancock-whatsapp-never-heard-of-him-alex-bourne

In more normal times, Hancock would have resigned by now.

[Legends-Lounge]

If you're OK with this, you need to ask yourself why.  Tory corruption in public view.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/11/covid-test-kit-supplier-joked-matt-hancock-whatsapp-never-heard-of-him-alex-bourne

In more normal times, Hancock would have resigned by now.

Don’t panic, you can vote them out in nine years.

[Matchworn Shirts]

The problem is that there is absolutely no accountability whatsoever, they can take the piss and get away with it - and in the end people forget such things happened because so much of it has gone on in Corona time. If somebody started a list of fuck-ups/corrupt actions at the start of the pandemic and continued with it, I am sure there is a hell of a lot whereby we would think "oh goodness, I had forgotten about that"

[Arriba]

How anyone is ok with voting Tory lately or in my lifetime is beyond me. They've always been cunts.

[Flashheart]

How anyone is ok with voting Tory lately or in my lifetime is beyond me.

Because but Corbyn

[chalkies shorts]

How anyone is ok with voting Tory lately or in my lifetime is beyond me. They've always been cunts.

As are the momentum faction of labour.

[Legends-Lounge]

The problem is that there is absolutely no accountability whatsoever, they can take the piss and get away with it - and in the end people forget such things happened because so much of it has gone on in Corona time. If somebody started a list of fuck-ups/corrupt actions at the start of the pandemic and continued with it, I am sure there is a hell of a lot whereby we would think "oh goodness, I had forgotten about that"

Hear, hear. Just like when ‘New Labour’ had the political system by the balls for all those years. But, but, but, that was those warm cozy fuzzy cuddly socialists. Get real, read publications like private eye, the spectator you’ll find out all sorts of shit from both sides of the HOC & the HOL,those with money, power and influence, they’re all at it. You don’t need to be in power....

[Arriba]

As are the momentum faction of labour.

They've not been in government and are a relatively new group unless I'm mistaken.
You're entitled to your opinion though same as anyone else.

[Ticker45]

...........those with money, power and influence..............

And that can be said for any country in the world.

[pauld]

Because but Corbyn

And literally in the next post....

As are the momentum faction of labour.

[pauld]

Hear, hear. Just like when ‘New Labour’ had the political system by the balls for all those years. But, but, but, that was those warm cozy fuzzy cuddly socialists. Get real, read publications like private eye, the spectator you’ll find out all sorts of shit from both sides of the HOC & the HOL,those with money, power and influence, they’re all at it. You don’t need to be in power....

There has never been a govt as corrupt as this one, of any political stripe.

[Legends-Lounge]

There has never been a govt as corrupt as this one, of any political stripe.

Yes, yes of course comrade, nothing as corrupt as the EU I think you mean 😉

[pauld]

Yes, yes of course comrade.

It's not primarily a party political point. I'd have the Thatcher govt back over this lot: didn't like them, but they weren't openly contemptuous of the law, parliament and democracy.