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« Reply #4935 on: Monday, February 4, 2019, 19:01:29 »

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There are no job losses at Sunderland - just no additional jobs.

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« Reply #4936 on: Monday, February 4, 2019, 20:10:51 »

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Try being a fisherman when uk waters are raped by eu nations but you cna't fish their's.Oh yeah and pay a few billion for such a shite arrangement.

 The UK fishing industry contributes 0.5% of GDP.  Brexit on the surface would look advantageous, and probably will be in terms of creating maritime nature reserves around our coasts, but will probably do little for massively improving the lot of our fishermen and women. 

Several reasons for this... 1.  Much of our domestic catch isn't fish we Brits like to eat, therefore it gets exported to the EU.... it will now increase in price due to the tariffs put on to protect EU fisherfolk..... 2. The fish we like to eat are found mainly in Norwegian waters so we have a reciprocal arrangement with them, they fish our waters we fish theirs...they're not in the EU. 3. Most of the UK fishing is in Scotland.... Scotland voted to remain in the EU, and will seek independence when the final divorce deal gets revealed. 4. The English element of the industry fishes mainly in Irish waters, in the EU or Icelandic waters, not in EU, so deals wil need to be brokered. 

The good news for Brexiteers though is that recent research has shown British chip shops are selling endangered shark species imported from the US and Canada, and sold as the "fish" in fish and chips.... thats the sort of practice frowned upon by the EU.... so will now be able to fully brought into the open for the consumer to decide.
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« Reply #4937 on: Monday, February 4, 2019, 20:58:48 »

...also, EU fishing quotas which were granted to UK operators have been flogged off to foreign multinationals. That's been allowed to happen by British Government policy, nothing to do with the EU. So Brexit will have little impact on fishermen's livelihoods.

Even the ultra-Brexitty Daily Express called it "selling off the family silver" https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/peter-hill/937621/britain-fisheries-fish-quotas-north-sea-bristol-channel-blue-passports-brexit
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« Reply #4938 on: Monday, February 4, 2019, 21:47:12 »

...also, EU fishing quotas which were granted to UK operators have been flogged off to foreign multinationals. That's been allowed to happen by British Government policy, nothing to do with the EU. So Brexit will have little impact on fishermen's livelihoods.

Even the ultra-Brexitty Daily Express called it "selling off the family silver" https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/peter-hill/937621/britain-fisheries-fish-quotas-north-sea-bristol-channel-blue-passports-brexit

The fishing and merchant fleets do hold an iconic place in the heart of any true Brit.... merchant notably for managing to keep the country fed during the war years and fishing for the terrible conditions in which the fellas worked to give us our fish and chips.

I remember the Hull tragedies more or less 51 years ago......

Safety standards abysmal, sort of thing the EU is good at, and the sort of thing Brexiteers wish to do away with as "red tape"

P and O, are now being flagged in Cyprus, due to Brexit....
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« Reply #4939 on: Tuesday, February 5, 2019, 08:46:34 »

Safety standards abysmal, sort of thing the EU is good at, and the sort of thing Brexiteers wish to do away with as "red tape"


Indeed, once we get rid of the pesky EU and their safety regs we won't have to worry about silly things like this anymore, anyone can fly any shed in our airspace...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47115732

P and O, are now being flagged in Cyprus, due to Brexit, not necessarily a problem as plenty of operators go under a flag of convenience..... however if you have the qualifications for working in a sea going environment, the present EU wide qualifications held by British merchant men will lapse

Not sure this is correct, aren't international marine standards and qualifications under the auspices of the IMO, which we are not leaving yet.....
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« Reply #4940 on: Tuesday, February 5, 2019, 09:26:14 »

Indeed, once we get rid of the pesky EU and their safety regs we won't have to worry about silly things like this anymore, anyone can fly any shed in our airspace...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47115732

Not sure this is correct, aren't international marine standards and qualifications under the auspices of the IMO, which we are not leaving yet.....

You could well be right, I'm going by an opinion in a newspaper article.....

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Yet Brexit will be a problem for British crews, who need certificates of competency. Once their certificates lapse, as with other professions and trades, it may take years before the EU recognises UK qualifications: we’ll join a long queue of countries applying; and without recognised certificates, British citizens can’t work

The opinion isn't backed up, so might well be suspect. I'll withdraw the comment....
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« Reply #4941 on: Tuesday, February 5, 2019, 09:56:11 »

Dutch door swings both ways, why are so called Brexit job losses terrible but ones lost due to our eu membership OK.
Nobody said that. False premise. As usual.
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« Reply #4942 on: Tuesday, February 5, 2019, 10:28:13 »

Nobody said that. False premise. As usual.

I am interested to hear about all these jobs due to EU membership?
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« Reply #4943 on: Tuesday, February 5, 2019, 10:51:15 »

I am interested to hear about all these jobs due to EU membership?

You might be waiting a while to hear from SRK then.... as he was talkng about jobs lost due to EU membership.

A favourite amongst Brexiteers, is the closure of the Ford plant in Bridgend, they claim the EU funded the building of a plant in Turkey.  Whilst it's true that Ford reorganised their operation and Bridgend lost out, I'm not sure of the whole story.

What we do know, is that companies like Ford can easily be swayed by a government giving them tax payers money.... like how Ford ended up in South Wales having received such encouragement from the Labour government of the 70's.

It's been good to see this week the Tories looking to pursue a similar policy for Nissan, even though it seems to have failed, they usually only apply such socialism to propping up bankers, arms manufacturers, hedge fund operators, land owners and tax evaders.
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« Reply #4944 on: Tuesday, February 5, 2019, 11:06:23 »

You might be waiting a while to hear from SRK then.... as he was talkng about jobs lost due to EU membership.

A favourite amongst Brexiteers, is the closure of the Ford plant in Bridgend, they claim the EU funded the building of a plant in Turkey.  Whilst it's true that Ford reorganised their operation and Bridgend lost out, I'm not sure of the whole story.

What we do know, is that companies like Ford can easily be swayed by a government giving them tax payers money.... like how Ford ended up in South Wales having received such encouragement from the Labour government of the 70's.

It's been good to see this week the Tories looking to pursue a similar policy for Nissan, even though it seems to have failed
It's not just this week, that's how Nissan ended up coming here in the first place - they wanted a European base and our govt offered them a better "package" (bribes) than other EU states.
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« Reply #4945 on: Tuesday, February 5, 2019, 11:14:31 »

It's not just this week, that's how Nissan ended up coming here in the first place - they wanted a European base and our govt offered them a better "package" (bribes) than other EU states.

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“If we were outside the [European] Community, it is very unlikely that Nissan would have given the United Kingdom serious consideration as a base for this substantial investment." Sir Keith Joseph, Secretary of State for Industry in Margaret Thatcher's first Cabinet, 1980.
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« Reply #4946 on: Tuesday, February 5, 2019, 11:20:31 »

It's not just this week, that's how Nissan ended up coming here in the first place - they wanted a European base and our govt offered them a better "package" (bribes) than other EU states.

The sweet irony here, is that it was Thatcher applying this socialism, she liked the single market, and the Japanese liked the handouts, the laws and the first rate unionised work force.  This enabled them to sell in the EU without tariff.
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« Reply #4947 on: Tuesday, February 5, 2019, 16:29:55 »

The sweet irony here, is that it was Thatcher applying this socialism, she liked the single market, and the Japanese liked the handouts, the laws and the first rate unionised work force.  This enabled them to sell in the EU without tariff.
Hold on! Japan can sell to the eu without tariff. Why didn't the UK ask for that deal. Do the Japanese have visa free travel and controls over who can enter their country. How much does that cost them, they must be paying millions without any say over eu laws,direction and a seat at the top table.
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« Reply #4948 on: Tuesday, February 5, 2019, 18:29:50 »

You can just see it can't you. School trips and Uni placements sent overseas in containers to avoid long delays at border control... Head Hurts
It's a little outside my area of expertise but if we employ an open borders policy with the EU are we not required by the mythical WTO rules to operate on that basis with every other nation, so basically tariff free access to the UK market for everyone, that's not going go do industry, manufacturing or agriculture much good?

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« Reply #4949 on: Tuesday, February 5, 2019, 20:45:31 »

It's a little outside my area of expertise but if we employ an open borders policy with the EU are we not required by the mythical WTO rules to operate on that basis with every other nation, so basically tariff free access to the UK market for everyone, that's not going go do industry, manufacturing or agriculture much good?

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