Let's Get Political!

[Reg Smeeton]

That's not strictly correct, it was fairly clear that a) Scotland was remain and b) it would provide pennies from heaven for the SNP and other nationalists if they voted to stay but the overall was remain. I have a number of Scottish friends who all voted to stay in the union when they had their referendum but have gone completely the other way now, ironic that the Conservative and Unionist Party will facilitate the break up, but so be it. 

As I assume you are retired its somewhat easier to get on with it compared with those who have been sold a pup and now find their jobs at risk and their kids futures uncertain. As for any idea of socialist reordering you are as naive as McDonnell and Corbyn, jobs will be lost at the bottom end, employment protects scrapped, its fairly clear that the Tory model is some manner of European Singapore (although even their president thinks we are mental), that hardly socialism is it? 

It will be up to individuals to view the changes sprung by Brexit as they see fit... the future is uncertain Brexit or no Brexit.

[horlock07]

It will be up to individuals to view the changes sprung by Brexit as they see fit... the future is uncertain Brexit or no Brexit.

Thanks Theresa.....

[BambooToTheFuture]

...but I thought Brexit meant Brexit?

[Ardiles]

...but I thought Brexit meant Brexit?

Geopolitical reality dawns.  Brexit means taking back giving up control.

[BambooToTheFuture]

Geopolitical reality dawns.  Brexit means taking back giving up control.

I know, I was just quoting our dearly beloved Theresa 

[RedRag]

No need to be nostalgic for the EU just yet.

It looks like Tessie's Deal will enable the Brit Press to CONTINUE to distract us with fake news and EuroMYTHS, enabling politicians to build whole careers on misconceptions:

EC regulations to ban playgrounds – Daily Express
Rolling acres outlawed by Brussels – The Telegraph
EU to scrap British exams – Sunday Express
Obscure EU law halting the sale of English oak seeds – Mail on Sunday
EU may try to ban sweet and toy ads – The Times
EU to tell British farmers what they can grow – Daily Mail
EU ‘Bans Boozing’ – Daily Star
Light ale to be forced to change its name by Eurocrats – Daily Mail
EU fanatics to be forced to sing dire anthem about EU ‘Motherland’ – The Sun
British apple trees facing chop by EU – The Times
EC plan to ban noisy toys – Sunday People
EU to ban bagpipes and trapeze artists – The Sun
Children to be banned from blowing up balloons, under EU safety rules – Daily Telegraph
Straight cucumbers – The Sun
Curved bananas banned by Brussels bureaucrats – The Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express
Brussels bans barmaids from showing cleavage – The Sun, Daily Telegraph
Rumpole’s wig to scrapped by EU – Mail on Sunday
Church bells silenced by fear of EU law – Daily Telegraph
Motorists to be charged to drive in city centres under EU plans – Daily Telegraph
EU to stop binge drinking by slapping extra tax on our booze – The Sun
Brandy butter to be renamed ‘brandy spreadable fat’ – The European
British loaf of bread under threat from EU – Daily Mail
Truckers face EU ban on fry-ups – The Sun
EU to ban Union Flag from British meat packs – Daily Express
EU seeks to outlaw 60 dog breeds – Europa News Agency
Double-decker buses to be banned – Daily Telegraph
EU bans eating competition cakes – Timesonline
Now EU officials want control of your CANDLES – Daily Express
21-gun salutes are just too loud, Brussels tells the Royal Artillery – Mail on Sunday
Brussels threatens charity shops and car boot sales – Daily Mail
Plot to axe British number plates for standardised EU design – Daily Express
Women to be asked intimate details about sex lives in planned EU census – Daily Express
British cheese faces extinction under EU rules – PA News
EU meddlers ban kids on milk rounds – The Sun, The Telegraph
British chocolate to be renamed ‘vegelate’ under EU rules – Daily Mail
EU to ban church bells – Daily Telegraph
British film producers warn of new EU threat to industry – The Independent
Kilts to be branded womenswear by EU – Daily Record
EU to ban double decker buses – Daily Mail
Cod to be renamed ‘Gadus’ thanks to EU – Daily Mail
Brussels to restrict drinking habits of Britain’s coffee lovers – Daily Express
EU responsible for your hay fever – Daily Mail, The Times
Condom dimensions to be harmonised – Independent on Sunday
EU wants to BAN your photos of the London Eye – Daily Express
Corgis to be banned by EU – Daily Mail
EU forcing cows to wear nappies – Daily Mail
Eurocrats to ban crayons and colouring pencils – The Sun
Smoky bacon crisps face EU ban – Sunday Times
EU outlaws teeth whitening products – Daily Mail
Domain names – ‘.uk’ to be replaced by ‘.eu’ – Daily Mail
Brussels to ban HGV drivers from wearing glasses – The Times
New eggs cannot be called eggs – Daily Mail
EU to ban selling eggs by the dozen – Daily Mail
UK to be forced to adopt continental two pin plug – Daily Star, Daily Mail
EU targets traditional Sunday roast – Sun on Sunday
English Channel to be re-named ‘Anglo-French Pond’ – Daily Mail
Brussels to force EU flag on England shirts – Daily Mail
EU orders farmers to give toys to pigs – The Times
Firemen’s poles outlawed by EU – Daily Mail
Euro ban on food waste means swans cannot be fed – The Observer
Noise regulations to force football goers to wear earplugs – The Sun
Traditional Irish funeral under threat from EU – Daily Telegraph, The Times
EU to ban high-heel shoes for hairdressers – Daily Express
Commission to force fishermen to wear hairnets – Daily Telegraph
Brussels to ban herbal cures – Daily Express
Bureaucrats declare Britain is “not an island”– the Guardian
EU bid to ban life sentences for murderers – Daily Express
New EU map makes Kent part of France – Sunday Telegraph
EU tells Welsh how to grow their leeks – The Times
EU to ban lollipop ladies’ sticks – News of the World
EU plot to rename Trafalgar Square & Waterloo station – Daily Express
UK milk ‘pinta’ threatened by Brussels – The Sun
EU bans ‘mince’ pies – Daily Mail
Eurocrats say Santa must be a woman – The Sun
Now EU crackpots demand gypsy MPs – Daily Express
Brussels to outlaw mushy peas – The Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph, Times
Brussels says shellfish must be given rest breaks on journeys – The Times
Pets must be pressure cooked after death – Sunday Telegraph
EU puts speed limit on children’s roundabouts – Daily Express
2-for-1 bargains to be scrapped by EU – Daily Mirror
EU madness: chat up bar girl and pub will be fined – Daily Star
Queen to be forced to get her own tea by EU – The Sun
EU tells women to hand in worn-out sex toys – The Sun
British rhubarb to be straight – The Sun
EU to ban rocking horses – The Sun
Scotch whisky rebranded a dangerous chemical by EU – Daily Telegraph
Brussels ban on pints of shandy – The Times
“High up” signs to be put on mountains – BBC
Euronotes cause impotence – Daily Mail
EU to ban under 16-year-olds from using Facebook – Daily Mail
Strawberries must be oval – The Sun
EU orders swings to be pulled down – Daily Express
Tea bags banned from being recycled – BBC
British lav to be replaced with Euro-loo – The Sun
Unwanted Valentine’s cards to be defined as sexual harrasment – Daily Telegraph
Bosses to be told what colour carpets to buy by EU – Daily Star
EU says British yoghurt to be renamed ‘Fermented Milk Pudding’ – Sunday Mirror
EU to ban zipper trousers – The Sun

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[Sir red ken]

No need to be nostalgic for the EU just yet.

It looks like Tessie's Deal will enable the Brit Press to CONTINUE to distract us with fake news and EuroMYTHS, enabling politicians to build whole careers on misconceptions:

EC regulations to ban playgrounds – Daily Express
Rolling acres outlawed by Brussels – The Telegraph
EU to scrap British exams – Sunday Express
Obscure EU law halting the sale of English oak seeds – Mail on Sunday
EU may try to ban sweet and toy ads – The Times
EU to tell British farmers what they can grow – Daily Mail
EU ‘Bans Boozing’ – Daily Star
Light ale to be forced to change its name by Eurocrats – Daily Mail
EU fanatics to be forced to sing dire anthem about EU ‘Motherland’ – The Sun
British apple trees facing chop by EU – The Times
EC plan to ban noisy toys – Sunday People
EU to ban bagpipes and trapeze artists – The Sun
Children to be banned from blowing up balloons, under EU safety rules – Daily Telegraph
Straight cucumbers – The Sun
Curved bananas banned by Brussels bureaucrats – The Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express
Brussels bans barmaids from showing cleavage – The Sun, Daily Telegraph
Rumpole’s wig to scrapped by EU – Mail on Sunday
Church bells silenced by fear of EU law – Daily Telegraph
Motorists to be charged to drive in city centres under EU plans – Daily Telegraph
EU to stop binge drinking by slapping extra tax on our booze – The Sun
Brandy butter to be renamed ‘brandy spreadable fat’ – The European
British loaf of bread under threat from EU – Daily Mail
Truckers face EU ban on fry-ups – The Sun
EU to ban Union Flag from British meat packs – Daily Express
EU seeks to outlaw 60 dog breeds – Europa News Agency
Double-decker buses to be banned – Daily Telegraph
EU bans eating competition cakes – Timesonline
Now EU officials want control of your CANDLES – Daily Express
21-gun salutes are just too loud, Brussels tells the Royal Artillery – Mail on Sunday
Brussels threatens charity shops and car boot sales – Daily Mail
Plot to axe British number plates for standardised EU design – Daily Express
Women to be asked intimate details about sex lives in planned EU census – Daily Express
British cheese faces extinction under EU rules – PA News
EU meddlers ban kids on milk rounds – The Sun, The Telegraph
British chocolate to be renamed ‘vegelate’ under EU rules – Daily Mail
EU to ban church bells – Daily Telegraph
British film producers warn of new EU threat to industry – The Independent
Kilts to be branded womenswear by EU – Daily Record
EU to ban double decker buses – Daily Mail
Cod to be renamed ‘Gadus’ thanks to EU – Daily Mail
Brussels to restrict drinking habits of Britain’s coffee lovers – Daily Express
EU responsible for your hay fever – Daily Mail, The Times
Condom dimensions to be harmonised – Independent on Sunday
EU wants to BAN your photos of the London Eye – Daily Express
Corgis to be banned by EU – Daily Mail
EU forcing cows to wear nappies – Daily Mail
Eurocrats to ban crayons and colouring pencils – The Sun
Smoky bacon crisps face EU ban – Sunday Times
EU outlaws teeth whitening products – Daily Mail
Domain names – ‘.uk’ to be replaced by ‘.eu’ – Daily Mail
Brussels to ban HGV drivers from wearing glasses – The Times
New eggs cannot be called eggs – Daily Mail
EU to ban selling eggs by the dozen – Daily Mail
UK to be forced to adopt continental two pin plug – Daily Star, Daily Mail
EU targets traditional Sunday roast – Sun on Sunday
English Channel to be re-named ‘Anglo-French Pond’ – Daily Mail
Brussels to force EU flag on England shirts – Daily Mail
EU orders farmers to give toys to pigs – The Times
Firemen’s poles outlawed by EU – Daily Mail
Euro ban on food waste means swans cannot be fed – The Observer
Noise regulations to force football goers to wear earplugs – The Sun
Traditional Irish funeral under threat from EU – Daily Telegraph, The Times
EU to ban high-heel shoes for hairdressers – Daily Express
Commission to force fishermen to wear hairnets – Daily Telegraph
Brussels to ban herbal cures – Daily Express
Bureaucrats declare Britain is “not an island”– the Guardian
EU bid to ban life sentences for murderers – Daily Express
New EU map makes Kent part of France – Sunday Telegraph
EU tells Welsh how to grow their leeks – The Times
EU to ban lollipop ladies’ sticks – News of the World
EU plot to rename Trafalgar Square & Waterloo station – Daily Express
UK milk ‘pinta’ threatened by Brussels – The Sun
EU bans ‘mince’ pies – Daily Mail
Eurocrats say Santa must be a woman – The Sun
Now EU crackpots demand gypsy MPs – Daily Express
Brussels to outlaw mushy peas – The Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph, Times
Brussels says shellfish must be given rest breaks on journeys – The Times
Pets must be pressure cooked after death – Sunday Telegraph
EU puts speed limit on children’s roundabouts – Daily Express
2-for-1 bargains to be scrapped by EU – Daily Mirror
EU madness: chat up bar girl and pub will be fined – Daily Star
Queen to be forced to get her own tea by EU – The Sun
EU tells women to hand in worn-out sex toys – The Sun
British rhubarb to be straight – The Sun
EU to ban rocking horses – The Sun
Scotch whisky rebranded a dangerous chemical by EU – Daily Telegraph
Brussels ban on pints of shandy – The Times
“High up” signs to be put on mountains – BBC
Euronotes cause impotence – Daily Mail
EU to ban under 16-year-olds from using Facebook – Daily Mail
Strawberries must be oval – The Sun
EU orders swings to be pulled down – Daily Express
Tea bags banned from being recycled – BBC
British lav to be replaced with Euro-loo – The Sun
Unwanted Valentine’s cards to be defined as sexual harrasment – Daily Telegraph
Bosses to be told what colour carpets to buy by EU – Daily Star
EU says British yoghurt to be renamed ‘Fermented Milk Pudding’ – Sunday Mirror
EU to ban zipper trousers – The Sun

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You forgot the lies about an EU army that our grandchildren will be front rank cannon fodder in. Oh but wait a minute.

[RobertT]

The army (Intervention Force) our current elected officials agree is a good idea and were pushing you mean?

[chalkies_shorts]

Interesting, as IIRC you voted leave didn't you? Looking back do you regret that? i.e. knowing what you know now (which no-one did at the time) do you think it was always going to turn out badly or do you feel it could/should have worked if it had been planned for and managed properly?

Yep, I voted leave and would vote leave again. I have no regrets at all.
I said from day 1 we would not be allowed to leave and I still think it - there's still plenty of twists and turns to come.
It still believe it could well have worked but not now. It starts with Cameron and Gideon being complete fuckwits with no planning for a leave vote. They thought a Remain vote was a shoe in but misjudged badly. In fact, they handed it to leave by not selling the benefits and then bringing in a cast of doom mongers. Unfortunately for them they overplayed their hand.
Our starting position was shit, partly due to the lack of planning, partly due to triggering Article 50 too quickly. If I had any say in it, I'd have said leave was leave and told everyone to plan for it. I'd have put Farage in charge of negotiations. Behind the scenes, I'd be hoping for a deal but it would certainly put out a declaration of intent. Don't forget these are negotiations. Showing that we no plans for no deal meant we needed a deal and once this is your starting point, you are fucked. We showed we were needy and all the EU had to do was sit tight.
I would also have made a commitment to all EU nationals already here that they had the right to stay for life - this is regardless of what the EU want to do with ours. That should be separate to negotiations. I'd also ensure we paid up for things we had committed to prior to the decision to leave but I'd also be investigating whether we could reclaim  any assets.   
Most leavers I know are hard Brexit. I appreciate there will be many flavours of leavers just as there will be for remainers. Some would like the EU to reform, some are happier with a trading block but not political union. It was a 2 option referendum and I'd suggest a very big proportion were not at the extremes but had to jump off the fence one way or the other.
If we had a second referendum I'd expect Remain to win but not because they won the argument. It would be because the decision to leave and the absolute fuck up we've made of it become merged when they are two separate things.
Then we have Parliament and I can't see May getting anything through Parliament. Yet again the Government have fucked up here. Voting massively to devolve their powers to the electorate when the country wasn't and still isn't educated enough to vote on this. Also the fact that Parliament is disproportionate to the electorate on this issue is a recipe for disaster. So, whats the default - no deal, remain, election???
Nobody has the faintest fucking clue if Brexit will be good or bad - too many unknown variables. All we've got is opinions.

[BambooToTheFuture]

Yep, I voted leave and would vote leave again. I have no regrets at all.

It still believe it could well have worked but not now. It starts with Cameron and Gideon being complete fuckwits with no planning for a leave vote.

Chalkie, serious question mate. I know we had our democratic right to vote Leave or Remain. You're an intelligent (and passionate) man, it would come across. Why would you vote leave if you were aware that the government had no plan or idea in how to execute it?

I'm not picking at you, I think the result is as it is (I voted remain) and we (government) should have been working to create the best solution instead of passing the buck over nearly two years.

Obviously the remain element didn't need a plan because it would have likely been, to continue as before. I'm just curious that if you knew this, why (democratic right aside) vote for something you knew had no plan?

[Batch]

cabinet have backed the draft, round 1 to may

[chalkies_shorts]

Chalkie, serious question mate. I know we had our democratic right to vote Leave or Remain. You're an intelligent (and passionate) man, it would come across. Why would you vote leave if you were aware that the government had no plan or idea in how to execute it?

I'm not picking at you, I think the result is as it is (I voted remain) and we (government) should have been working to create the best solution instead of passing the buck over nearly two years.

Obviously the remain element didn't need a plan because it would have likely been, to continue as before. I'm just curious that if you knew this, why (democratic right aside) vote for something you knew had no plan?

Because I thought it was the right thing to do. I also thought leave meant leave. Cameron had made that clear numerous times. I genuinely thought it was an in or out vote. Once we voted to leave I thought we'd crack on. I knew there would be issues and had anticipated a transition period but wouldn't have triggered article 50 without a plan.

[BambooToTheFuture]

Because I thought it was the right thing to do. I also thought leave meant leave. Cameron had made that clear numerous times. I genuinely thought it was an in or out vote. Once we voted to leave I thought we'd crack on. I knew there would be issues and had anticipated a transition period but wouldn't have triggered article 50 without a plan.

Appreciate your response. Cheers.

[Ginginho]

Because I thought it was the right thing to do. I also thought leave meant leave. Cameron had made that clear numerous times. I genuinely thought it was an in or out vote. Once we voted to leave I thought we'd crack on. I knew there would be issues and had anticipated a transition period but wouldn't have triggered article 50 without a plan.

Welcome back, John. Hope you're well mate.

[pauld]

Yep, I voted leave and would vote leave again. I have no regrets at all.
I said from day 1 we would not be allowed to leave and I still think it - there's still plenty of twists and turns to come.
It still believe it could well have worked but not now. It starts with Cameron and Gideon being complete fuckwits with no planning for a leave vote. They thought a Remain vote was a shoe in but misjudged badly. In fact, they handed it to leave by not selling the benefits and then bringing in a cast of doom mongers. Unfortunately for them they overplayed their hand.
Our starting position was shit, partly due to the lack of planning, partly due to triggering Article 50 too quickly. If I had any say in it, I'd have said leave was leave and told everyone to plan for it. I'd have put Farage in charge of negotiations. Behind the scenes, I'd be hoping for a deal but it would certainly put out a declaration of intent. Don't forget these are negotiations. Showing that we no plans for no deal meant we needed a deal and once this is your starting point, you are fucked. We showed we were needy and all the EU had to do was sit tight.
I would also have made a commitment to all EU nationals already here that they had the right to stay for life - this is regardless of what the EU want to do with ours. That should be separate to negotiations. I'd also ensure we paid up for things we had committed to prior to the decision to leave but I'd also be investigating whether we could reclaim  any assets.   
Most leavers I know are hard Brexit. I appreciate there will be many flavours of leavers just as there will be for remainers. Some would like the EU to reform, some are happier with a trading block but not political union. It was a 2 option referendum and I'd suggest a very big proportion were not at the extremes but had to jump off the fence one way or the other.
If we had a second referendum I'd expect Remain to win but not because they won the argument. It would be because the decision to leave and the absolute fuck up we've made of it become merged when they are two separate things.
Then we have Parliament and I can't see May getting anything through Parliament. Yet again the Government have fucked up here. Voting massively to devolve their powers to the electorate when the country wasn't and still isn't educated enough to vote on this. Also the fact that Parliament is disproportionate to the electorate on this issue is a recipe for disaster. So, whats the default - no deal, remain, election???
Nobody has the faintest fucking clue if Brexit will be good or bad - too many unknown variables. All we've got is opinions.

Cheers chalkies, as always a reasonable and well reasoned reply. That's why I asked you.