Let's Get Political!

[pauld]

Johnson now aiming the money tree cannon squarely at the Reg vote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51272817

[Ardiles]

I think he might be barking up the wrong tree!

In other news...3 days before 'taking back control' of its sovereignty, the UK hands it over to China.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jan/28/boris-johnson-gives-green-light-for-huawei-5g-infrastructure-role

[pauld]

I think he might be barking up the wrong tree!

In other news...3 days before 'taking back control' of its sovereignty, the UK hands it over to China.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jan/28/boris-johnson-gives-green-light-for-huawei-5g-infrastructure-role

tbf, it was a straight choice between surrendering sovereignty to China or the US. We'll have plenty of opportunities for the US to bend us over a table in the years to come as we beg for whatever scraps we can get in a trade deal so seems only fair to give the Chinese a taste of the action too

[Legends-Lounge]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Ardiles]

When the penny drops that 'taking back control' really means 'now we're everyone's bitch', it won't be pretty.  On our own, we're simply going to have to do as we're told by bigger players.

The EU 'negotiations' will be another interesting episode.  The terms of any trade deal will be, essentially, what the EU decides they will be.  That tends to be what happens when you 'negotiate' with a body that's 10 times bigger than you are.

[Reg Smeeton]

I think he might be barking up the wrong tree!

In other news...3 days before 'taking back control' of its sovereignty, the UK hands it over to China.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jan/28/boris-johnson-gives-green-light-for-huawei-5g-infrastructure-role

In the minds of Brexiteers, trade negotiations with China..... involve gunboats up the Yangtze, to encourage them to sell us tea in exchange for opium.

[horlock07]

Johnson now aiming the money tree cannon squarely at the Reg vote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51272817

£500m, yep thats going to sort it!

Just more window dressing to appear to be doing something whilst doing nothing of any actual value. Its just a strategy of looking like you are doing something in the north, see also the nonsense about stripping northern of the franchise.

(in perspective £6.3bn was found for no deal Brexit planning and the £500m represents less than two weeks of the financial gain we are making from leaving the EU).

From Christian Wolmer railway writer and journalist on Twitter...

The ridiculous amount of coverage of the 'reversing Beeching' proposals demonstrates how a bit of spin can go a long way - it is not £500m, but £250m as half is already included in NR's budget. In fact, only £20m is announced today, and part of that is 'feasibility' studies. Moreover, Beeching's report led to 5,000 miles of closure and a full £500m would buy, optimistically, at most, 75 miles, more likely 50, Yet, by and large the media has lapped it up as a significant announcement.

When the penny drops that 'taking back control' really means 'now we're everyone's bitch', it won't be pretty.  On our own, we're simply going to have to do as we're told by bigger players.

The EU 'negotiations' will be another interesting episode.  The terms of any trade deal will be, essentially, what the EU decides they will be.  That tends to be what happens when you 'negotiate' with a body that's 10 times bigger than you are.

Varadkar (sp?) noted this yesterday noting its basically 27 states v. 1 and a market of 400+ million v. 60m. He noted if it were two football teams who would you back?

The penny will never drop as it will just be someone else's fault, that's what sadly happens to those who have been groomed or gaslighted. https://thepinprick.com/2017/12/15/ladybird-libertarians-dan-hannan-paddington-and-the-pernicious-impact-of-1960s-british-propaganda-on-the-brexit-thinkers/

[Legends-Lounge]

£500m, yep thats going to sort it!

Just more window dressing to appear to be doing something whilst doing nothing of any actual value. Its just a strategy of looking like you are doing something in the north, see also the nonsense about stripping northern of the franchise.

(in perspective £6.3bn was found for no deal Brexit planning and the £500m represents less than two weeks of the financial gain we are making from leaving the EU).

From Christian Wolmer railway writer and journalist on Twitter...

The ridiculous amount of coverage of the 'reversing Beeching' proposals demonstrates how a bit of spin can go a long way - it is not £500m, but £250m as half is already included in NR's budget. In fact, only £20m is announced today, and part of that is 'feasibility' studies. Moreover, Beeching's report led to 5,000 miles of closure and a full £500m would buy, optimistically, at most, 75 miles, more likely 50, Yet, by and large the media has lapped it up as a significant announcement.

Varadkar (sp?) noted this yesterday noting its basically 27 states v. 1 and a market of 400+ million v. 60m. He noted if it were two football teams who would you back?

The penny will never drop as it will just be someone else's fault, that's what sadly happens to those who have been groomed or gaslighted. https://thepinprick.com/2017/12/15/ladybird-libertarians-dan-hannan-paddington-and-the-pernicious-impact-of-1960s-british-propaganda-on-the-brexit-thinkers/

Just think, you and PaulD amongst others have five, maybe ten years of this material to work with, you must be as happy with that as i am. Not forgetting back up material of Great Britain’s exit from a common market trading club acting like a sovereign nation to play with when there is nothing to quote from the Guardian or Daily Mirror. Everyone’s a winner. 🇬🇧🕚🍻

[horlock07]

Well there you go....

Get those who led the campaign to carry out the review to ensure you get a rigorous result....

https://www.ft.com/content/5dc2f7b0-41f5-11ea-a047-eae9bd51ceba

Conclusion, nothing to do with us guv!

[pauld]

Disabled man starved to death after his benefits were stopped

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-51283186

IDS got a knighthood for this.

[Bob's Orange]

I see there is a Blur V Oasis type battle for the music charts in the remain v Brexit camp.

Remain's song is 'Ode to Joy' whereas the Brexit offering is by a gentleman called Dominic Frisby with his song '17 million fuck offs'

https://order-order.com/2020/01/27/get-17-million-f-os-number-1-time-brexit/

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/eu-anthem-ode-to-joy-by-andre-rieu-to-chart-this-week-1-6487860

[Red Frog]

I see there is a Blur V Oasis type battle for the music charts in the remain v Brexit camp.

Remain's song is 'Ode to Joy' whereas the Brexit offering is by a gentleman called Dominic Frisby with his song '17 million fuck offs'

https://order-order.com/2020/01/27/get-17-million-f-os-number-1-time-brexit/

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/eu-anthem-ode-to-joy-by-andre-rieu-to-chart-this-week-1-6487860

Well that sums up the two camps nicely.

[pauld]

Well that sums up the two camps nicely.

Yes, pathetic on both sides

[Peter Venkman]

Yes, pathetic on both sides

Absolutely.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

I was chatting my son who also lives out here. We have both informed HMRC we now live in Greece. He told me that he was now no longer entitled to claim child benefit.

I always thought universal social benefits were payable no matter where you live in the EU.

He is unable to claim any Greek social benefit - if he needed to - for 5 years. This was also an option for the UK to impose on others entering the UK. The UK government chose not to and only imposed a 3 month wait.

So all this bollocks about Johnny Foreigner coming here just for the benefits is actually a UK choice. They could have introduced a 5 year wait if they wanted to. It has nothing at all to do with being in the EU.