Let's Get Political!

[Legends-Lounge]

Anyway the Labour fighback has started in earnest, Vaz is back!

Thank you you have just made my day. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[RobertT]

Constitutions are not always the answer - what we thought 300 years ago may not play so well today.  In fact, the speed of change in society is quicker and only likely to continue as thus, being tied to a philosophy can be challenging.  Sure, you can put in ways of changing, but they have to be robust, and by being so make it bloody difficult to change.

[michael]

Don't worry, our stance on Iran won't be decided by our govt anyway. There was a bloke from the US National Security Council on R4 this morning explaining that if we want a trade deal we'd better fall into line on Iran pretty damn sharpish. #takingBackControl

It was always going to be a choice between the EU or the US, it is the Blur v Oasis of the day. And to be fair, when you see China getting rogered by the US as they are being right now, then what choice will we have other than to give the Yanks free reign?

Having said that, if Trump (/the US) want to finish the EU for good or at least significantly weaken it then what better way to do it than give the UK the sort of trade deal that will tempt others within the 27 to exit.

[RedRag]

Brexitism has been encouraged by both Trump and Putin who for differing reasons see benefits in weakening the EU.  Your scenario shows the UK as a consenting adult, partnering with a dominatrix USA.  With the emotive calls for sovereignty quietly dropped.

Personally, I wish the EU every success as a precious if flawed counterweight against the at times overbearing machinations of Russia, China and indeed the USA.

If the USA has really rogered China today, having undoubtedly rogered Mexico and Canada in tearing up the NAFTA trade deal, we can only hope it will play nice and not get too rough with us.  They've promised that our relationship is "special" after all.

[Legends-Lounge]

Poor ole Jeremy Corbyn, poor ole Jeremy Corbyn. You have to feel for Albert Steptoe I suppose. He’ll pass into that socialist Valhalla looking on with green eyed envy at the stunt Putin has pulled in Russia 🤣🤣

[horlock07]

And to be fair, when you see China getting rogered by the US as they are being right now, then what choice will we have other than to give the Yanks free reign?

Having said that, if Trump (/the US) want to finish the EU for good or at least significantly weaken it then what better way to do it than give the UK the sort of trade deal that will tempt others within the 27 to exit.

The devil is in the detail, a number of  people who actually have experience of trade deals seem to suggest that on first reading Trump's deal with China actually says actually sweet FA of any substance but is instead intended to persuade voters that he is doing somthing positive in a time when he is up shit creek re Lev Parnas and also has an election coming up...

In short....

China agrees to buy $50B of ag products this year.

-That's a gain of $29B from before Trump tariffs.

-Trump tariffs have cost U.S. farmers $11B.

-U.S. taxpayers have spent $28B on emergency payouts to farmers.

-So loss to U.S. is $39B.

The above is also based upon Trumps witterings that it is $50bn, the text actually only says $38bn so the loss to US is potentially actually $53bn.

Not sure Trump wants to finish the EU, that more Putins gig, although the former is potentially a proxy of the other so who knows. However Brexit has rather misfired as all it seems to have done is persuaded many electorates who were potentially on the brink, watching us commit financial and diplomatic suicide, what a stupid idea it is.

[horlock07]

Poor ole Jeremy Corbyn, poor ole Jeremy Corbyn. You have to feel for Albert Steptoe I suppose. He’ll pass into that socialist Valhalla looking on with green eyed envy at the stunt Putin has pulled in Russia 🤣🤣

You do realise that Putin is as socialist as Orban don't you?

[Legends-Lounge]

You do realise that Putin is as socialist as Orban don't you?

I know he’s a dictator of a socialist/communist ‘empire’ and anointed by Brezhnev. Ah you mean a socialist in name only with money and power.

[pauld]

I know he’s a dictator of a socialist/communist ‘empire’ and anointed by Brezhnev.

Russia hasn't been communist since the early 90s, you ignoramus. These days it's a mix of nationalist authoritarianism with a large element of gangster kleptocracy thrown in. And Putin is a prime sponsor of most of the causes so dear to your heart

[Legends-Lounge]

Russia hasn't been communist since the early 90s, you ignoramus. These days it's a mix of nationalist authoritarianism with a large element of gangster kleptocracy thrown in. And Putin is a prime sponsor of most of the causes so dear to your heart

I wondered how long it would take you to pop up. You couldn’t help yourself could you.

[horlock07]

This just popped, and I know she is a Purton lass, and Reg needs to get his pecker up....

[StfcRusty]

I wondered how long it would take you to pop up. You couldn’t help yourself could you.

Hmm person posts on message board shocker.

But you’re right for once; trolls are best ignored

[Ardiles]

I do love Billie Piper.  Always have.

Her ex was sounding very Tory on Question Time last night.

[horlock07]

I do love Billie Piper.  Always have.

Her ex was sounding very Tory on Question Time last night.

Hence why the picture has popped up on Twitter, she was trending and I feared the worse!

From a fellow admirer!

[pauld]

Hmm person posts on message board shocker.

But you’re right for once; trolls are best ignored

tbf, I don't think pointing out that thinking Russia is still a communist state nearly 30 years after the demise of the Soviet Union is incorrect counts as trolling, more educating an astonishing level of ignorance