Let's Get Political!

[Flashheart]

Won't make any difference. To use the jargon, Brexiters have already "priced that in" that he's a lying untrustworthy bastard. And they don't care, because they believe he's their best hope of getting the unicorns shitting rainbow skittles that they voted for.

True. But it might cause some to shift to Farage's outfit in marginal seats instead.

[Ardiles]

JO'B has picked the wrong target there. To be fair to Neil, he isn't the one arranging the interviews and in any case, it was Boris' team that have been swerving the interview with him. Obviously JO'B got caught up in a moment of polirage.

I think you're right.  There are bigger battles to fight right now.

Looks like Boris has been caught lying about his Brexit deal. Again.

Another parallel between Johnson and Trump (from a disturbingly large list) is that he's Teflon.  He can lie & lie & lie, and it doesn't matter.  When he gets caught lying, he doubles down - again, just like Trump.  He tells the lie again.  And again.  And there comes a point where those calling him out have nothing left to say or to challenge him with.

His eventual downfall, when it comes, will be spectacular and brutal.  This will happen at around the same time as the penny drops finally and 'The People' realise that they've been mugged off.

[pauld]

True. But it might cause some to shift to Farage's outfit in marginal seats instead.

Maybe but even the rats are deserting that ship. Farage has a remarkable track record of launching personal vanity projects disguised as political parties then having them collapse in acrimony and in-fighting doesn't he? Still, he's done very well personally out of all the chaos so that's all right, he's made a packet so fuck the country.

[pauld]

Another parallel between Johnson and Trump (from a disturbingly large list) is that he's Teflon.  He can lie & lie & lie, and it doesn't matter.  When he gets caught lying, he doubles down - again, just like Trump.  He tells the lie again.  And again.  And there comes a point where those calling him out have nothing left to say or to challenge him with.

It's not a coincidence. Johnson and Cummings have had a series of meet-ups with Bannon, Trump's former strategist and the man who made white nationalism mainstream in the US, and have directly copied his playbook. Including a lot of the nasty far right shit. It will get worse

[Mister Lorenzo]

...and islamophobia

So unsubstantiated claims of antisemitism actually trump somebody saying directly and unequivocally that disabled people should work for less?

Gotcha.

What do you mean "Gotcha", are you fucking Noel Edmonds?

There seems to be HUGE smacks of hypocrisy with left wing voters.
To vigorously berate and vilify (in many cases justified) when it comes to racism conducted by others - but yet when it is being done by themselves it is nothing more than a "misunderstanding" or something that they are willing to ignore.

The left are belittling themselves and they are most definitely making a strong case that the left do not have much honour or credibility with anything they say they themselves stand up for.

Corbyn and the culture of Jewish hate within the party should have been stamped out years ago - but for the fact that they have let it fester is a sign that the current version of left wing politics in the labour party is indeed nothing more than a party of hate. Whether it is hate of the Tories, hate of capitalism, and of course hate of the Jewish - once the 'hate' has embedded itself within the party and it becomes the norm, it also becomes very clear that it is the only factor in their world view.

[Mister Lorenzo]

Of all the parties likely to receive any meaningful votes, only one of them is, by historic and ongoing floods of evidence, a RACIST party.
And it looks like they may poll 2nd place in the election !

What is going on in the mindset of left wing voters today?

It has generally been the left wing that became triggered and voiced the loudest against any whiff of racism, and yet left wingers up and down the country are going to be voting for a racist party.

I do hope they take a look at what they are about to do and ask themselves if that is the Britain they want to be a part of.
Is it because the far left are subscribing to the old image of Jews being the rich controllers of capital and industry, and therefore, natural enemies of their cause?

The same argument used to great effect in Germany in the 1930s.

Forget Israel and Palestine, this is the real driver.

[Flashheart]

What do you mean "Gotcha", are you fucking Noel Edmonds?

Of course I'm not Noel Edmonds.

Perhaps you missed the nuance. In this context it means 'Got you', as in I understand'.

[pauld]

Of all the parties likely to receive any meaningful votes, only one of them is, by historic and ongoing floods of evidence, a RACIST party.

That's bollocks. There is a real and genuine problem with anti-Semitism in the Labour party which stems from a failure of the leadership to tackle the issue; there is a real and genuine problem with Islamophobia in the English Nationalist Party (formerly the Conservative Party) which also stems from a failure of the leadership to tackle the issue and has been stoked by the leader to garner his own support. At the moment, neither are institutionally a racist party, both need to tackle the issues they have to avoid the suspicion that they are comfortable with ducking it. But of the two, Johnson is the one who has the track record of directly racist remarks.

[Flashheart]

There seems to be HUGE smacks of hypocrisy with left wing voters.

Fancy that!

And the same can't be said for the right? I mean, you did just pull some textbook whataboutery in response to a Tory saying some pretty fucked up things about disabled people.

[Mister Lorenzo]

That's bollocks. There is a real and genuine problem with anti-Semitism in the Labour party which stems from a failure of the leadership to tackle the issue; there is a real and genuine problem with Islamophobia in the English Nationalist Party (formerly the Conservative Party) which also stems from a failure of the leadership to tackle the issue and has been stoked by the leader to garner his own support. At the moment, neither are institutionally a racist party, both need to tackle the issues they have to avoid the suspicion that they are comfortable with ducking it. But of the two, Johnson is the one who has the track record of directly racist remarks.

And the other points in my post, are you going to ignore those too?

[Flashheart]

Of all the parties likely to receive any meaningful votes, only one of them is, by historic and ongoing floods of evidence, a RACIST party.
And it looks like they may poll 2nd place in the election !

Are you honestly trying to tell us that the tories don't have a history (and a current problem) with racism? really? Are you fucking serious?

And you're complaining about others being biased.

Crikey.

*And I'm not saying one excuses the other. Just calling you out on trying to rewrite history.

[pauld]

And the other points in my post, are you going to ignore those too?

As they're based on the initial false premise, they also fail for the same reason. Labour does indeed have a massive problem with anti-semitism, but it's really not a strong card for a Tory party that is every bit as mired in the same issue to be playing. Especially given that your leader has directly played the racist card to get himself elected and that govt ministers, including Johnson, are doing constituency visits to support candidates who have been caught out making directly Islamophobic comments, supporting the openly racist far right agitator Yaxley Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson), retweeting the virulently racist Katie Hopkins etc. All parties have embarrassing candidates but the Tories aren't even disowning blatant racists, they're sending their senior figures out to campaign for them. You might want to stop throwing stones from inside that glass house.

[Flashheart]

A Tory poster from 1964. But there's no history of racism in the Tory party?

Fuck off!

[Mister Lorenzo]

A Tory poster from 1964. But there's no history of racism in the Tory party?

Fuck off!

And I thought it was Reg who was the resident historian.....

How much further back do you want to go back, shall I try and find some posters advertising slaves for sale....

Oh and Fuck Off!!

[Mister Lorenzo]

As they're based on the initial false premise, they also fail for the same reason. Labour does indeed have a massive problem with anti-semitism, but it's really not a strong card for a Tory party that is every bit as mired in the same issue to be playing. Especially given that your leader has directly played the racist card to get himself elected and that govt ministers, including Johnson, are doing constituency visits to support candidates who have been caught out making directly Islamophobic comments, supporting the openly racist far right agitator Yaxley Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson), retweeting the virulently racist Katie Hopkins etc. All parties have embarrassing candidates but the Tories aren't even disowning blatant racists, they're sending their senior figures out to campaign for them. You might want to stop throwing stones from inside that glass house.

I'm not defending the Tories, I'm just trying to bring some balance to what appears to be a forum of Labour apologists...