Let's Get Political!

[ReadingRed]

MPs had more time to debate the Wild Animals in Circuses Act (affecting 19 animals) than they will to decide the future of 65 million people.

[pauld]

Johnson now threatening to scrap the bill all together if MPs insist on trying to actually scrutinise it (as is their job). What a shame he wasted all that parliamentary time on proroguing for a Queen's Speech that was so so important but that he's now forgotten about.

[Matchworn Shirts]

But opposition MPs called the threat to pull the bill "childish blackmail".

Hit the nail on the head

[Batch]

I think it'll go through.

I think some doubting Tories will be worried a remainer backlash (and Labour backing a confirmatory referendum) in a GE will deprive them of getting past the post.

I think some Labour  MPs will dread Corbyn leading them into GE on that ticket (i.e. the norther leave area MPs).

So it'll go through.

[pauld]

But opposition MPs called the threat to pull the bill "childish blackmail".

Hit the nail on the head

[pauld]

I think it'll go through.

I think some doubting Tories will be worried a remainer backlash (and Labour backing a confirmatory referendum) in a GE will deprive them of getting past the post.

I think some Labour  MPs will dread Corbyn leading them into GE on that ticket (i.e. the norther leave area MPs).

So it'll go through.

I think you're right as to why it might (i.e. your reasons given) but don't think it can go through unamended as too many MPs will be worried about the No Deal trapdoor. That will need removing before the doubters on both sides sign up to it.

[Batch]

I hope so

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

So, the end game looks like being a GE. Dreadful idea, I reckon.

If you’re a Labour voter who wishes to leave you’ll have to vote Tory.

If you’re a Tory voter who wishes to remain it’s voting Labour.

Who wants to vote for a party whose manifesto - stripped of Brexit - is the complete opposite of what you’d usually vote for.

[REDBUCK]

I agree. How can anyone think that a GE first will be about anything other than Brexit. How can the parties set out an agenda to sort out the post brexit ( in or out) mess without knowing where we are going to be.

[Batch]

I want to remain via ref #2, but don't want Corbyn as PM.

Given its a Tory v Labour fight in Swindon North where does that leave me?

I bet I'm not alone. That's good for Boris...

[Nemo]

I want to remain via ref #2, but don't want Corbyn as PM.

Given its a Tory v Labour fight in Swindon North where does that leave me?

I bet I'm not alone. That's good for Boris...

Constituency politics really does throw up these oddities, it's part of the reason why national opinion polls are... not that helpful in establishing the potential end result of an election.

Fwiw, I live in Islington North where 73% of the vote at the last election went to one J Corbyn Esq. (to quote the Leader of the House), a majority of nearly 35,000. Don't think my opinion on any of these matters is likely to have much effect either...

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

I’ll stick this here. Anywhere is enough to make you feel sick to your stomach.

39 Bulgarians found dead in the back of a lorry in Essex

Jesus Christ

[Batch]

my point is internal politics and brexit should be separated

[pauld]

I want to remain via ref #2, but don't want Corbyn as PM.

Given its a Tory v Labour fight in Swindon North where does that leave me?

I bet I'm not alone. That's good for Boris...

Just shows how unfit for purpose our current political system is.

Alarmingly, from the debate yesterday it seems that Johnson either, if you're being kind, flat out doesn't understand the Irish frontstop he's negotiated or has descended to Trumpian levels of flat-out lying about it

[Ardiles]

Fwiw, I live in Islington North where 73% of the vote at the last election went to one J Corbyn Esq. (to quote the Leader of the House), a majority of nearly 35,000. Don't think my opinion on any of these matters is likely to have much effect either...

Or mine.  My constituency was created in 2018.  And in the 101 years since then, there have been 29 General Elections and 6 MPs...every one of them a Tory.  Voting, for me, is nothing more than a protest that no-one will hear.  I might as well stay at home.