Let's Get Political!

[pauld]

He's calculating, self-serving and devious, but he's not stupid.  He'll have learned his lesson.

He's not stupid. But he is incredibly lazy and massively bombastic, as his time at the Foreign Office shows, he's not a man given to learning lessons

[Ardiles]

Hope you're right.

[Reg Smeeton]

I would imagine that her famous red lines were not really hers at all, but red lines that she had to adhere to in order to keep the hard-right ERG faction of her party at bay.  So the 'compromise is not a dirty word' quote, if anything, was probably a dig at those who tied her hands in the negotiations.

Any reasonable person would have concluded long ago that implementing any decision made with a 52:48 split would entail a good deal more compromise than has been evident in the last 3 years.

May was brought in to be a JRM style nanny, to clean up after the naughty boys had made their mess.... sadly for her they've just carried on being naughty.... all looks a bit Lord of the Flies in the Tories now.

[horlock07]

I have zero sympathy for her as she didn't have to do it and when she took it she could have made an effort to be more inclusive rather than just pandering to the whims of the far right of her party.

However, she must go down in history (In addition to a few other records including losses and contempt) as the only PM in history to be ousted by her party for not being damaging enough to the country and for doing the damage insufficiently fast.

As for who is going to get the job going forward, its going to be a hard brexiteer (unless the PCP can keep them off the ballot) and then the shitstorm is really going to begin.

[Reg Smeeton]

I have zero sympathy for her as she didn't have to do it and when she took it she could have made an effort to be more inclusive rather than just pandering to the whims of the far right of her party.

However, she must go down in history (In addition to a few other records including losses and contempt) as the only PM in history to be ousted by her party for not being damaging enough to the country and for doing the damage insufficiently fast.

As for who is going to get the job going forward, its going to be a hard brexiteer (unless the PCP can keep them off the ballot) and then the shitstorm is really going to begin.

Once the Tories have had their pick, in the circumstances, I would say there has to be general election, fairly quickly.

[horlock07]

Once the Tories have had their pick, in the circumstances, I would say there has to be general election, fairly quickly.

Why? Not saying I agree in the slightest but I don't recall the GE after Brown ousted Blair for instance?

[pauld]

Hope you're right.

None of that necessarily stops the Tories choosing him anyway. If we've seen anything over the last few years, it's that making difficult but necessary choices has been completely abandoned in the face of naked self-interest. They know that Boris will be a disaster, but the dilemma they will face is do they want to be MPs in a disastrous government or do they want to lose their seats if they don't choose someone who can out-Farage Farage? We have entered the age of the oaf

[horlock07]

Sorry they are proper barking aren't they...

Conservative Peter Bone says the next leader has to be someone "who believes in Leave" and someone not associated with the Brexit deal.

"Either Esther McVey, Dominic Raab, David Davis or Boris Johnson.

"We also need someone who can walk on the world stage straight away and who can win the next election.

"I think the right person is Boris Johnson."

So someone not associated with the Brexit deal apparently includes two former Brexit Secs and also the Foreign Sec whilst the whole process was being undertaken, the other option being a particularly cluelesss  protege of IDS!

The cupboard is beyond bare.

[horlock07]

None of that necessarily stops the Tories choosing him anyway. If we've seen anything over the last few years, it's that making difficult but necessary choices has been completely abandoned in the face of naked self-interest. They know that Boris will be a disaster, but the dilemma they will face is do they want to be MPs in a disastrous government or do they want to lose their seats if they don't choose someone who can out-Farage Farage? We have entered the age of the oaf

Its been quite telling that Johnson’s supporters have been pushing for her to go and want a rapid leadership contest because they are worried the longer it goes on, the more likely he will make a career-limiting gaffe.

So the calculus seems to “he’s bound to fuck it up at some time, so let’s make sure he is Prime Minister when he does so”. That’s the level of cynicism of the Tory Party.

When you just think we cannot become more of a laughing stock, they trump it. He is already considered a clown throughout the world after his stint as Foreign Secretary!

[Wobbly Bob]

"The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that you've got it made."

At least she'll hang on long enough to get her arse handled by Trump.

[Reg Smeeton]

Why? Not saying I agree in the slightest but I don't recall the GE after Brown ousted Blair for instance?

Very different circumstances.... in the 2017 election, Tory manifesto on Brexit was to negotiate a deal which was best for UK and EU.... this was duly negotiated and presented to Parliament. Although not passed by Parliament, no deal was ruled out. Therefore logic dictates that to get no deal through as a policy rather than a default, it will need to go back to the electorate.

[horlock07]

Very different circumstances.... in the 2017 election, Tory manifesto on Brexit was to negotiate a deal which was best for UK and EU.... this was duly negotiated and presented to Parliament. Although not passed by Parliament, no deal was ruled out. Therefore logic dictates that to get no deal through as a policy rather than a default, it will need to go back to the electorate.

Since when has logic dictated anything, there is no legal requirement to have a GE,as it stands today a GE will not achieve anything for the Tories and thus the Tories will not hold a GE until the most favourable time for them (and Labour would do exactly the same thing!).

What would be most interesting to see how the polling goes after a new leader has been appointed, considering how shite Corbyn has been doing against the worst PM in living memory/history if they get a populist who seems to be saying the right things and getting a bounce they may go to the polls anyway, although it is not remotely in Tory interests to see Corbyn off as he remains probably their best asset in terms of beating Labour.

BTW is it Sunday that we get the EU election results?

[Reg Smeeton]

Since when has logic dictated anything, there is no legal requirement to have a GE,as it stands today a GE will not achieve anything for the Tories and thus the Tories will not hold a GE until the most favourable time for them (and Labour would do exactly the same thing!).

What would be most interesting to see how the polling goes after a new leader has been appointed, considering how shite Corbyn has been doing against the worst PM in living memory/history if they get a populist who seems to be saying the right things and getting a bounce they may go to the polls anyway, although it is not remotely in Tory interests to see Corbyn off as he remains probably their best asset in terms of beating Labour.

BTW is it Sunday that we get the EU election results?

If the new Tory leaders aim is no deal, he/she will still come up against numbers in Parliament against... the deal between UK and EU is still on the table, so something will have to change, and the best way will be a GE.

[pauld]

BTW is it Sunday that we get the EU election results?

Monday, counting is on Sunday

[Oldwembley69]

May to resign on 7th June