Let's Get Political!

[Saxondale]

And lets face it, it probably wasnt very nice.  You know, the war and post war austerity, ration books and all that.  

At the same time, the same people who go on about the war and how we survived that go on about how every kid these days are Millennial snowflakes who could never survive the hardship of having their flat whites and avocados taken away.  

I believe the thinking maybe a little muddled.

[RedRag]

Although it's easy to throw the blame for the current mess onto opportunists like Johnson, there has been a steady drift rightwards in the general population in recent years...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/08/uk-more-willing-embrace-authoritarianism-warn-hansard-audit-political-engagement

in that sense he's just riding on to the sort of attitudes now generally prevalent in polite society, and promoted by some on the TEF.

Is there hope in the younger generations?  I'm not so sure.

Oddly enough, Society was probably more cohesive during WW2 and in the aftermath when a Labour Government swept into power.  The Conservatives for their part maintained a "One Nation" Toryism.  Patriotism was naturally quite big till the rebellious 60s but even then a sort of Cool Britannia Mark 1 emerged.  The likes of Enoch Powell and Tony Benn were at the time to the taste of politicos rather than widely adopted.  

I think Thatcher changed a good deal (some good things) but her "No such thing as Society" was influential and has heralded a certain amount of, imo, extreme economic libertarianism.  I have no objection to visions and ideas.  What I would like to see is more people forming their own ideas, rather than sometimes, imo, uncritically following other peoples'.  

Young people, as ever, tend to be much better at this than some older ones.  Including me.  No need to give up on the future just yet, Reg.

[BambooToTheFuture]

The WW2 rhetoric is fucking bollocks from boomers who didn't live it anyway. If you're 50 - 65 and sharing memes on facebook about "saving Europe in the war" then just fuck off. You'd have had to have been born in 1923 to be old enough to fight, so around 96 years old now.

The actual WW2 generation are as pro EU as generation x, and nearly as pro EU as millenials.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/04/05/britains-wartime-generation-are-almost-as-pro-eu-as-millennials/

You should tap up Exiled Bob. He's pretty astute in knowing the chronology of individuals. EB would have a field day with some of those "We won the War" types 

[horlock07]

Ah bless he is going mad, BTW Mark you lost the no confidence vote it would be undemocratic (apparently) to have another one....

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1115216739464306689

[RedRag]

with no sense of irony, Francois is arguing that if the party had known then what it knows now it would have voted differently.

One rule for the Conservative MPs and another for the public.

What a T.W.A.T.

[Sir red ken]

The remainer communist are going to keep us tied to the deck of this eu ponzi clusterfuck.
Further fears over eurozone slowdown as German exports suffer biggest drop in a year.
lets get off the sinking ship before we go down with it

[Ardiles]

It was always going to be like this.  Brexit was never going to survive contact with the real world.  Not fair, really, to blame those who were warning you of this all along.

We've gone head to head with a body that's 10 times bigger than we are.  And, surprise, surprise, that body is now setting out the terms of the 'future relationship' (which, basically consists of the UK doing as its told.)  This isn't happening because of a 'Remainer elite' subverting what would otherwise have been a glorious exit on our own terms.  It's happening because the UK, on its own, is a flyweight...going up against a heavyweight in the form of the EU.  Brexit-supporting ex-ministers saw the writing on the wall ages ago, didn't fancy getting pummelled, and ran away.  The result would have been just the same if they'd stuck around.

But yep, blame the Remainers - the very people who counselled against all of this in the first place - if it makes you feel better.   

[jayohaitchenn]

One day, Brexiteers will be remembered in the same vein as Flat-Earthers and Anti-Vaxxers.

[chalkies_shorts]

One day, Brexiteers will be remembered in the same vein as Flat-Earthers and Anti-Vaxxers.

A tad overdramatic

[RedRag]

The remainer communist are going to keep us tied to the deck of this eu ponzi clusterfuck.
Further fears over eurozone slowdown as German exports suffer biggest drop in a year.
lets get off the sinking ship before we go down with it

Despise Brussels by all means but when it comes to administration and negotiation they are the professionals.  If the UK has been tied down, it is the triumvirate of Johnson, Davis and Fox who allowed the UK to be outmanoeuvred at the outset.  DD accepted the "phasing" and the backstop.  

Had they been as sharp and focussed as Weyland and Barnier, the initiative need not have been handed to the EU.  It was and DD and Johnson resigned.  They now blame May and Robins.  So they were weaker than the clueless May?  If so, they were not the musketeers we thought.  

They talked the talk and walked the plank.  The EU and later May and Robbins were now in control because DD had accepted the backstop.  It was all over by Chequers.  Raab, Berkeley and Cox are not to blame. It was the mouthy pub car park team that messed up.  

[RobertT]

The remainer communist are going to keep us tied to the deck of this eu ponzi clusterfuck.
Further fears over eurozone slowdown as German exports suffer biggest drop in a year.
lets get off the sinking ship before we go down with it

Now, what would be fun, is if Brexit collapses and Labour wins a snap election with Corbyn in charge.  I can only imagine the struggle you'll have to avoid an embolism.

If I remember correctly GDP growth has blossomed for the UK since joining the European Project after being a shipwreck, to use your analogy.

[horlock07]

It was always going to be like this.  Brexit was never going to survive contact with the real world.  Not fair, really, to blame those who were warning you of this all along.

Its like when a child hurts themselves doing something you told them not to do, and then blames you for it? but Mitch Benn puts it better....

[horlock07]

So the Cooper bill got Royal Ascent last evening, however it is being heavily misreported by both the media and the Labour Party, it does not prevent no deal, the only way the UK can prevent no deal is to revoke A50, otherwise we are entirely dependent on the EU agreeing to an extension of time.

Somewhat amusingly, the future of the United Kingdom is to be determined this week by, in effect, the governments of France and Ireland. For any student of history there is a wonderful beauty to this. How the mighty have fallen.

As for the idea that we can just circumvent the bits of the WA we don't like like by flouncing of shouting no deal, first thing UK would have to do is go cap-in-hand to the EU and talk trade (remember they are our biggest export market by a country mile!), money, Ireland and citizens rights, but from a weaker position and with a hostile 27 who think us liars (with pretty good evidence).

[pauld]

A tad overdramatic

It is. But not nearly so silly as describing the likes of Justine Greening, Phillip Hammond etc as "communist"

[horlock07]

So this afternoon, in the Brexit comedy slot...

Mark Francois, no doubt trying to sound clever although it has the fingerprints of Rees-Mogg all over it, has threatened the EU with

"If you try to hold us in against our will, you will be faced with Perfidious Albion on speed"

He seems to think that "Perfidious Albion" is a compliment. He apparently doesn't seem to know "perfidious" means deceitful and untrustworthy.

So that's us. That's Britain. Deceitful. Untrustworthy. And he calls himself a patriot.