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« Reply #5235 on: Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 13:29:20 »

I could probably send some Chlorinated Chicken if Hard Brexit is voted for I guess, or maybe an entire chicken in a can?
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« Reply #5236 on: Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 13:34:13 »

chicken in a can?

Can I put imitation cheese on it?

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« Reply #5237 on: Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 13:41:43 »

Can I put imitation cheese on it?

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Now you're just being silly.
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« Reply #5238 on: Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 13:42:17 »

Member of executive of 1922 committee (basically, an influential backbench Tory) has said May must call an election if she loses tonight. Good luck with that one
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« Reply #5239 on: Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 13:45:20 »

Member of executive of 1922 committee (basically, an influential backbench Tory) has said May must call an election if she loses tonight. Good luck with that one

It's interesting actually, the one thing that definitely has changed since the first vote on the agreement isn't the agreement but the polls - the Independent Group breakaway seems to be costing Labour more than the Tories in the polls at the moment, so it looks like they might actually be a fair bit better positioned for an election. Which is insane, that you can be leading in the polls despite being this inept, but welcome to 2019 where up is down and black is white.
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« Reply #5240 on: Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 13:47:11 »

It's interesting actually, the one thing that definitely has changed since the first vote on the agreement isn't the agreement but the polls - the Independent Group breakaway seems to be costing Labour more than the Tories in the polls at the moment, so it looks like they might actually be a fair bit better positioned for an election. Which is insane, that you can be leading in the polls despite being this inept, but welcome to 2019 where up is down and black is white.
Think it's more a case of a race to the bottom, Labour are proving quite staggeringly inept, any halfway competent opposition would be in government by now
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« Reply #5241 on: Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 13:56:06 »

I suppose May's only hope now is trying to get enough ERG splitters + Labour MPs from leave constituencies to vote for her deal to make up for the loss of most of the ERG and the DUP.
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« Reply #5242 on: Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 13:57:56 »

The thought of the Tories winning such an election in these circumstances is astonishing and makes me shudder.  So it will probably happen.

Will almost certainly lead to the break up of the country, but chaos is the new normal...so why not?
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« Reply #5243 on: Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 14:13:15 »

DUP says no. (Officially)
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« Reply #5244 on: Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 14:37:19 »

Regardless of what your stance is, what the bleeding hell will a general election solve?

And as said before, how do you separate out Brexit from everything? Would a remainder vote for Corbyn or a leaver vote for May* based on just Brexit alone?

* or whoever. Actually that's a point. The sequence would surely be leadership contest then GE. But haven't the ERG shot their load over forcing May out?
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« Reply #5245 on: Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 14:40:57 »

Regardless of what your stance is, what the bleeding hell will a general election solve?

And as said before, how do you separate out Brexit from everything? Would a remainder vote for Corbyn or a leaver vote for May* based on just Brexit alone?

* or whoever. Actually that's a point. The sequence would surely be leadership contest then GE. But haven't the ERG shot their load over forcing May out?

Election is indeed a waste of time as you would have a pro Brexit Tory against a pro Brexit Corbyn, Corbyn may have fooled many last time round but he has royally lost the remain vote, probably the young vote who naively fell for the bollocks that he was different an learnt the truth the hard way in the last two years.

Actually can see the point of an election for the Tories as they could potentially get a majority against Corbyn when you consider he lost last time round when he hadn't been found out and was at his peak, the only grey area is the TIGGERS and the Lib Dems who could perhaps make some gains if they got organised and at least informally worked together.
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« Reply #5246 on: Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 15:11:56 »

Actually can see the point of an election for the Tories as they could potentially get a majority against Corbyn when you consider he lost last time round when he hadn't been found out and was at his peak
Yes but it does nothing to solve the mess the country is in, we will just have a different govt with the same dilemma and even less time to resolve it. So, yeah, benefits the Tory Party, doesn't help the country, a General Election it will be. After all, that's how we ended up here in the first place.
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« Reply #5247 on: Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 15:14:59 »

That's how I think a GE works - you essentially use it to run the referendum in a way that provides a clear exit path, or otherwise and people can't moan at the outcome.  We vote for MP's to set the laws of the land, if we vote for a party that goes Hard exit, that's what we get.  If we vote for an MP who wants to tsay in, we accept that's how they will vote.  If Brexit is such a big priority for people, they will vote accordingly and parties can offer different tastes of Exit or In.  We'll probably get a hung parliament and they'll have to figure out how to negotiate properly.  Mess either way.
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« Reply #5248 on: Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 15:32:28 »

@alexwickham

ERG meeting at 5pm-ish, usual pre-vote meeting to decide how to vote. But despite earlier statement, they haven't yet decided what they're going to do... amid speculation that many want to climb down
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« Reply #5249 on: Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 15:39:44 »

@alexwickham

ERG meeting at 5pm-ish, usual pre-vote meeting to decide how to vote. But despite earlier statement, they haven't yet decided what they're going to do... amid speculation that many want to climb down

Bill Cash has said that 'we' (which most people have taken to mean the ERG) will vote against the deal.  The DUP are voting against as well.

I guess that both groups still think that No Deal might be possible if the deal goes down.
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