Let's Get Political!

[Batch]

It's perfectly feasible for the economy to crash and burn, while you're still in the EU, it happened in 08. Therefore it is feasible that the current downturn is more connected to global issues.

But the only real relevant question has to be how much worse off will we be on whatever terms we leave on, and for how long.

And the question can't be answered in anything other than general terms right now - we don't know our exit terms, we don't know what deals we can get and how long it'll take to get them. Anything else is guesswork/lying.

The global economy is what it is. Regardless.

[horlock07]

It's perfectly feasible for the economy to crash and burn, while you're still in the EU, it happened in 08. Therefore it is feasible that the current downturn is more connected to global issues.

Ah so a global downturn that is only actually affecting the UK, got it now! We need to take a steer from the Dutch, they don't seem to be affected by this global issue....

[chalkies_shorts]

I also think people are struggling to divorce Brexit uncertainty from Brexit. Its easy to blame the former on the latter.
Ardiles - whether you like him or not, Farage is by far the most successful politician in my life time. Whether a force for good or evil remains to be seen. I'm an unashamed fan of his.

[Batch]

Ferage is a dick, political performance or not. I have it on good authority from someone who went to school with him he's always been a dick.

[horlock07]

I also think people are struggling to divorce Brexit uncertainty from Brexit. Its easy to blame the former on the latter.
Ardiles - whether you like him or not, Farage is by far the most successful politician in my life time. Whether a force for good or evil remains to be seen. I'm an unashamed fan of his.

Rather depends how one judges success, the much hated Diane Abbotts 2017 GE majority is bigger than the sum total of every single vote Nigel Farage has been able to muster in all 7 General Elections he’s failed in.

35,139 vs 33,146.  Some could say if they were being unkind that the man’s a specialist in failure.

However to be fair, he has been very successful in pushing through a winning Brexit vote in the referendum, although his Russian funded pal might take more credit for that to be fair, Nige has proven less successful in explaining or delivering an achievable Brexit after winning the vote so sadly that's another tick on the failure side, if he doesn't get us out some people are gonna want their cash back?

Ferage is a dick, political performance or not. I have it on good authority from someone who went to school with him he's always been a dick.

The strange thing with Farage is that historically political shysters/frauds have some character/charisma about them, he seems lacking in that field (as is JRM)?

[Ardiles]

I also think people are struggling to divorce Brexit uncertainty from Brexit. Its easy to blame the former on the latter.
Ardiles - whether you like him or not, Farage is by far the most successful politician in my life time. Whether a force for good or evil remains to be seen. I'm an unashamed fan of his.

He certainly is.  My only hope is that Enoch Powell's quote about all political careers ending in failure comes good at some point. 

(The full quote is 'All political lives, unless they are cut off in midstream at a happy juncture, end in failure, because that is the nature of politics and of human affairs.'  If there's any sign of a 'happy juncture' on the horizon, I can't see it yet.)

[Reg Smeeton]

Ah so a global downturn that is only actually affecting the UK, got it now!

 Ah so  Glad you've got it....

 https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/05/china-economy-slowdown-us-tariffs-trade-war

 Have a bit of China Crisis...

 

 
 

[horlock07]

This was pointed out to me in discussion last night, its old news but the cloud is clearing a little....

So our noble leader invoked Article 50 on the 29th March 2017, meaning that we had to leave, Deal or no deal, on the 29th March 2019, now one has to wonder why she was in such a rush to do this when it was blindingly obvious that she had no plan whatsoever, so why the rush you may think. Entirely coincidentally I am sure, the very harsh new EU anti tax evasion laws which make it virtually impossible to hide money offshore and tax evade, kick in on the 1st of April 2019, do we think the dates are possibly linked?

Even should we end up with an extension to A50 as many suspect will happen, I would expect it to include us seeking a dispensation to not be covered by any EU directives etc passed after the 29th March 2019 date.

For the leaders and elite, its only ever been about the wealthy saving cash, quite literally nothing else.

[Reg Smeeton]

This was pointed out to me in discussion last night, its old news but the cloud is clearing a little....

So our noble leader invoked Article 50 on the 29th March 2017, meaning that we had to leave, Deal or no deal, on the 29th March 2019, now one has to wonder why she was in such a rush to do this when it was blindingly obvious that she had no plan whatsoever, so why the rush you may think. Entirely coincidentally I am sure, the very harsh new EU anti tax evasion laws which make it virtually impossible to hide money offshore and tax evade, kick in on the 1st of April 2019, do we think the dates are possibly linked?

Even should we end up with an extension to A50 as many suspect will happen, I would expect it to include us seeking a dispensation to not be covered by any EU directives etc passed after the 29th March 2019 date.

For the leaders and elite, its only ever been about the wealthy saving cash, quite literally nothing else.

You're right it's old news...

Our MP's voted to trigger Article 50, by a majority of 498 - 114.  If they did so, in order to maintain their tax status without EU intervention, then they still can be held to account at the ballot box. The great British public and their representataives in Parliament voted for this shitstorm, so we get on with it.

[pauld]

This was pointed out to me in discussion last night, its old news but the cloud is clearing a little....

So our noble leader invoked Article 50 on the 29th March 2017, meaning that we had to leave, Deal or no deal, on the 29th March 2019, now one has to wonder why she was in such a rush to do this when it was blindingly obvious that she had no plan whatsoever, so why the rush you may think. Entirely coincidentally I am sure, the very harsh new EU anti tax evasion laws which make it virtually impossible to hide money offshore and tax evade, kick in on the 1st of April 2019, do we think the dates are possibly linked?

Well that must just be a massive coincidence, otherwise there'd be a clear conflict of interest for her with her massive tax-dodging husband who's company has paid no UK corporation tax since 2009 despite a turnover of £500m. Taking the bins out may be a "boy's job", but it seems paying tax isn't.

[Sir red ken]

More Brexit bad news. Airbus ends production of flagship A380 double-decker jet, putting 200 British jobs at risk.

[Ardiles]

This isn't Brexit bad news, though.  It's just bad news.  It adds to the Brexit bad news.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

Nothing to do with Brexit. Airlines don’t want Jumbo jets any more. They all prefer the smaller, less fuel guzzling aircraft.

[Sir red ken]

this is the fault of Brexit.  The U.K. housing market stayed in the doldrums at the start of the year as Brexit caused both buyers and sellers to hesitate on deals. (Bloomberg) Must be true.

[Batch]

put the beer down SRK