Let's Get Political!

[Bathtime]

If there is a second vote presumably the pissed off leavers wouldn`t bother vote plus quite a few other disillusioned folk so if the turnout wasn`t pretty much the same as the original it would be a meaningless result...

[chalkies_shorts]

A second referendum would seriously disadvantage the leave vote as it will be difficult for people to disaggregate a leave decision with the total fucking omnishambles clusterfuck mess made of it. The two become one.

[RedRag]

In any case the 70s/80s were shit if you were poor.

We had to rent a TV, one that you had to put 50ps in to work that had an uncanny knack of knowing when the best bit was on and shit itself off. Peak timing too, when you had to knock the neighbors door because you had to change a pound note.

Who wants to go back to that.

we were in the eu during the 70's & 80's
The trouble is the extreme left can't see anything but how good the eu is, because they have even bigger government sucking cash from their pockets.

Nice anecdote.  I won't try and match you there.

If you are interested in facts though, what do you think of this:

Growth in GDP per head for period of UKs EU membership from joining up to the referendum:

1.  The UK 
2   Germany 
3   The USA 

It might not quite fit in with what your newspaper of choice would have you believe.

[ReadingRed]

A second referendum would seriously disadvantage the leave vote as it will be difficult for people to disaggregate a leave decision with the total fucking omnishambles clusterfuck mess made of it. The two become one.

But it was always going to be an omnishables clusterfuck because what was promised was always going to be undeliverable, what with the Good Friday Agreement and the complexity of relationships which had to be unpicked.
I have a (very slight) sympathy for May in that she had to deliver a unicorn and came up the best she could, a donkey with an ice cream cone stuck to its head.

[BambooToTheFuture]

Ahem!

[Ardiles]

A second referendum would seriously disadvantage the leave vote as it will be difficult for people to disaggregate a leave decision with the total fucking omnishambles clusterfuck mess made of it. The two become one.

It's an interesting point - but why should they be disaggregated?  Where is the version of Brexit that isn't a complete balls up?  Surely it would have emerged by now if it existed?

As I alluded to earlier, even if we do leave, we'll never really leave because, one way or another, the gravitational pull of our much bigger, more influential closest neighbour will fix the UK in its orbit.  That's the realpolitik.  Hunting around for a version of Brexit where this doesn't happen is utterly futile.  A 'clean' Brexit is impossible in the real world.  The only scenario in which Brexit would make sense, to my mind, is if the EU really does start to implode...as many have been predicting for some time now (without it happening).

[chalkies_shorts]

A clean brexit is not impossible and we haven't even tried it. It was the only hand we had and we didn't okay it. Yes, do a trade deal and form alliances where mutually beneficial once we've made a clean break. This is what I and most other leavers i know had voted for.

[donkey]

But it was always going to be an omnishables clusterfuck because what was promised was always going to be undeliverable, what with the Good Friday Agreement and the complexity of relationships which had to be unpicked.
I have a (very slight) sympathy for May in that she had to deliver a unicorn and came up the best she could, a donkey with an ice cream cone stuck to its head.

I'll eat my ice cream any way I like, and the EU can't stop me (after March 29).

[BambooToTheFuture]

I'll eat my ice cream any way I like, and the EU can't stop me (after March 29).

You can anyway, the Chinese hold the claim of Ice Cream. Yet the Italians may have a say in it so in that case Donkey, you can't have your cream and eat it!

[donkey]

You can anyway, the Chinese hold the claim of Ice Cream. Yet the Italians may have a say in it so in that case Donkey, you can't have your cream and eat it!

Then I don't want it.  Ice Cream Exit, now!

[BambooToTheFuture]

Then I don't want it.  Ice Cream Exit, now!

Gelato means gelato!

Creamxit

[horlock07]

The only scenario in which Brexit would make sense, to my mind, is if the EU really does start to implode...as many have been predicting for some time now (without it happening).

Yeah and at that stage as we are not as aligned as the rest of the EU membership, and thus by extension will not be as immediately affected by the implosion we move to depart, whilst also starting to cherry pick off the business and trade opportunities from within, much as the EU are doing to us now.

We at best are playing a very short game here for what benefit, no one has still managed to come up with a real tangible benefit for leaving?

[chalkies_shorts]

Looks like my mate farage will be back soon with a new party now that ukip are embracing Mr yaxley Lennon.

[pauld]

Have you been following the Brexit debate at all? The Corbynistas, trots and the far left are even more rabidly anti-EU than the right. They see the EU as a capitalist conspiracy.

When you're as far to the right as SRK is, Vince Cable looks like the extreme left

[pauld]

Looks like my mate farage will be back soon with a new party now that ukip are embracing Mr yaxley Lennon.

Farage and Banks were always going to launch a new far right populist party (UKIP 2.0) anyway, the Batten/Yaxley Lennon alliance is just helping them find an excuse.