Let's Get Political!

[horlock07]

Whilst I would hate to stand in the way of the Tory Party destroying itself, isn't there something a little more important they should be doing over the next few weeks?

They democratically decided that May should be leader in July 2016 and now they are changing their mind, I thought you were not allowed to change your mind in a democracy.

Best wishes,
Confused of Cumbria.

[Ardiles]

Can you imagine the look on Mogg's face if May wins?  I'd pay good money to see that.  (Actually, I'd probably frame it.)  It might even prompt the ERG to go & do some 'research' for once.

[horlock07]

Can you imagine the look on Mogg's face if May wins?  I'd pay good money to see that.  (Actually, I'd probably frame it.)  It might even prompt the ERG to go & do some 'research' for once.

Reading elsewhere its been suggested that most in government will support her and thus that's around 100 votes in the bag, she only then needs c.50 out of 200 odd backbenchers to stumble over the line and Johnsons haircut will all have been in vain!

[Wobbly Bob]

 We'll be alright in Swindon though, as Tory led SBC has contingency plans in place for civil unrest, in case of no deal.

 Renard, wouldn't say what the plans are but he has got some  

They probably revolve around him hunkering down in some underground bunker below council offices.

[Pax Romana]

I reckon Benny from Crossroads would destroy Corbyn in a GE.

Not sure that this is the racing certainty that a lot of people like me lazily expected when he was elected.

He has avoided the Dianne Abbot style blunders that everyone anticipated, admittedly mainly by doing virtually nothing.

As for John McDonnell, I can't believe I am saying this but he has been really quite impressive.  Calm, measured and almost statesmanlike.  The fact that an idiot Marxist can look better than virtually everyone around him is the ultimate damning indictment of our politicians and in particular this Tory government.

[REDBUCK]

Can you imagine the look on Mogg's face if May wins?  I'd pay good money to see that.  (Actually, I'd probably frame it.)  It might even prompt the ERG to go & do some 'research' for once.

Even if she does win she won't have full confidence of her party and the mandarins will likely convince her to resign. Whatever the result, there will still be some who don't accept the result and round the circle we go again

[Sir red ken]

Whilst I would hate to stand in the way of the Tory Party destroying itself, isn't there something a little more important they should be doing over the next few weeks?

They democratically decided that May should be leader in July 2016 and now they are changing their mind, I thought you were not allowed to change your mind in a democracy.

Best wishes,
Confused of Cumbria.

She stood at the last election on a leave manifesto then ignored it, which means she isn't delivering the wishes of the electorate. So as a remaimer May has spent her time, as she said last week, working on behalf of the eu, against the wishes of the country. That's not democracy. Being able to replace her, if they can and honouring the wishes of the majority is democracy.Calling for a vote because you never won the last one isn't democracy. try keeping up and pay more attention.

[Reg Smeeton]

They probably revolve around him hunkering down in some underground bunker below council offices.

I think that's for nuclear attack... which I don't think is currently on the no-deal menu. The Force de Frappe, is still sizeable mind, and France is a bit volatile atm.

[Pax Romana]

The thing that I don't understand is who on earth would stand as the next tory leader at this point.

Why not let May stumble over the line and then pounce?

By going now they run a far greater risk of May winning and even if she falls then they inherit the poison chalice and are wide open to the accusation that they have put naked self-interest in front of the country's interest.  

Which incidentally is a charge that can also be levied at the labour party.  I guess that they would excuse their actions on the basis that helping to prolong the chaos in the short term is in the interests of the ordinary working people of this country (an arrogant condescending phrase if ever there was one) if it facilitates the subsequent election of a left wing labour government to lead us to the socialist nirvana.

[horlock07]

Not sure that this is the racing certainty that a lot of people like me lazily expected when he was elected.

He has avoided the Dianne Abbot style blunders that everyone anticipated, admittedly mainly by doing virtually nothing.

As for John McDonnell, I can't believe I am saying this but he has been really quite impressive.  Calm, measured and almost statesmanlike.  The fact that an idiot Marxist can look better than virtually everyone around him is the ultimate damning indictment of our politicians and in particular this Tory government.

A lot of the support for Magic Grandpa came from younger voters and many of these feel very betrayed by his inaction regarding Brexit so I think that support may not be available in a later election, much is made of the 500k members of the Labour Party but that means feck all if you cannot engage with the floating voter and Corbyn (like Milliband before him) seems entirely incapable of understanding this.

McDonnell rather frighteningly has made Corbyn look like the reactive protesting amateur he is in political terms, Labour need to at least engage with the more centre elements of the party to have much chance of being elected, they benefited in 2015 and 2017 by the collapse of the Lib Dem vote (exacerbated by the clever way they kept their Brexit cards close during 2017) again I suspect they might lose more of that support in any forthcoming election.

 

[horlock07]

The thing that I don't understand is who on earth would stand as the next tory leader at this point.

Why not let May stumble over the line and then pounce?

By going now they run a far greater risk of May winning and even if she falls then they inherit the poison chalice and are wide open to the accusation that they have put naked self-interest in front of the country's interest. 

Which incidentally is a charge that can also be levied at the labour party.  I guess that they would excuse their actions on the basis that helping to prolong the chaos in the short term is in the interests of the ordinary working people of this country (an arrogant condescending phrase if ever there was one) if it facilitates the subsequent election of a left wing labour government to lead us to the socialist nirvana.

Johnson is so desperate he will step in, as pointed out elsewhere his ambition would have led to him taking over as captain of the Titanic after it hit the iceberg!

Nice to see Davis releasing a plan for Brexit, if only he had had the chance to do this earlier!

[Reg Smeeton]

A lot of the support for Magic Grandpa came from younger voters and many of these feel very betrayed by his inaction regarding Brexit so I think that support may not be available in a later election, much is made of the 500k members of the Labour Party but that means feck all if you cannot engage with the floating voter and Corbyn (like Milliband before him) seems entirely incapable of understanding this.

McDonnell rather frighteningly has made Corbyn look like the reactive protesting amateur he is in political terms, Labour need to at least engage with the more centre elements of the party to have much chance of being elected, they benefited in 2015 and 2017 by the collapse of the Lib Dem vote (exacerbated by the clever way they kept their Brexit cards close during 2017) again I suspect they might lose more of that support in any forthcoming election.

That would be the same Lib Dem party that you actively supported, in their propping up of Cameron which led to the current mess.  However hard you try to dead cat the current state of affairs onto Corbyn, we're not imminently expecting a GE.

[Wobbly Bob]

I think that's for nuclear attack... which I don't think is currently on the no-deal menu. The Force de Frappe, is still sizeable mind, and France is a bit volatile atm.

There are probably some on both sides of the debate who wouldn't mind if the whole thing descended into a bit of fisticuffs.

Best part of 400 years since the last major civil dustup.
So we are overdue.
An EU peacekeeping force on the streets of Boston in Lincs. 

[horlock07]

That would be the same Lib Dem party that you actively supported, in their propping up of Cameron which led to the current mess.  However hard you try to dead cat the current state of affairs onto Corbyn, we're not imminently expecting a GE.

Getting the blame in early Reg, you have rather more in common with the Tories that you would dare to admit, although its been rather obvious to many of us observers with you unhealthy obsession with Maggie. 

Ultimately to try and suggest that Magic Grandpa is not, at least to a degree, culpable in the present shambles is cultist of the highest nature, his complete lack of opposition has facilitated their present 'do as they please' approach and however it is spun (and the spinning would do Campbell proud) is turning off floating voters who don't trust student politicians (or more accurately Seamus Milne)  to run the country.

[Reg Smeeton]

There are probably some on both sides of the debate who wouldn't mind if the whole thing descended into a bit of fisticuffs.

Best part of 400 years since the last major civil dustup.
So we are overdue.
An EU peacekeeping force on the streets of Boston in Lincs. 

TBF, events in Ulster from circa from about 68-98 were pretty much a civil dust up.... an EU peace keeping force there would be handy in the event of no deal... they could person the custom's posts as well.