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« Reply #4290 on: Monday, December 10, 2018, 10:34:17 »

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« Reply #4291 on: Monday, December 10, 2018, 10:48:19 »

under Mays deal we do leave the EU.. eventually..

I guess you are supporting that
"Eventually" when? its a tie in and the eu can just keep us a paying members forever with no veto or vote.Treason may said she's been working for the eu to present this deal and she has. The woman wanted to remain and that's what she doing along with her uncivil service they've got the deal the eu wants not what the uk voted for.So no I'm not supporting that and neither is her party, they stood at the general election on a leave ticket. How many more times does it need to be spelt out.
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« Reply #4292 on: Monday, December 10, 2018, 10:51:04 »

"Eventually" when? its a tie in and the eu can just keep us a paying members forever with no veto or vote.Treason may said she's been working for the eu to present this deal and she has. The woman wanted to remain and that's what she doing along with her uncivil service they've got the deal the eu wants not what the uk voted for.So no I'm not supporting that and neither is her party, they stood at the general election on a leave ticket. How many more times does it need to be spelt out.

Bloody hell, breathe man....

Oh well its looking evermore like either a new referendum or we remain as people won't vote for her deal and parliament are unlikely to allow no deal....

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« Reply #4293 on: Monday, December 10, 2018, 11:34:53 »

Not sure it's going to make a difference. But the ECJ says we can cancell Brexit unilaterally.

After being reassured by many this wasn't the case, I suppose it proves what we all suspected, nobody understands Brexit.

To me the key question remains, why did the government strenuously try to stop this case from being heard and wasted tens if not hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money in the process?

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/201...ng-shows-the-ecj-respects-sovereignty-more-th
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« Reply #4294 on: Monday, December 10, 2018, 11:48:36 »

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So no I'm not supporting that and neither is her party, they stood at the general election on a leave ticket. How many more times does it need to be spelt out.

ok. So now what?

I assume you are ok with the deal, but with a backstop that is somehow bound in duration?

The only way it seems a no deal is going through is via a people's vote. Parliament doesn't want it. That's democracy and sovereignty for you.

so what do you want.
  - ammended deal
  - people's vote?
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« Reply #4295 on: Monday, December 10, 2018, 11:51:48 »

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To me the key question remains, why did the government strenuously try to stop this case from being heard and wasted tens if not hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money in the process?

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/201...ng-shows-the-ecj-respects-sovereignty-more-th
self preservation?

didn't want no deal left as an option, thereby protecting "the will of the people" (tm) and removing the "undemocratic" (tm) option of asking the people if the deal negotiated is really what they want.

because even if it's the right thing to do logically, it'll kill their hard right vote
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« Reply #4296 on: Monday, December 10, 2018, 12:10:33 »

The £ is now going through floor.  Lowest level for over 12 months.

Whatever happens next, the Tories' have wrecked their reputation for economic competence.  Just as well that there is likely to be some sort of political realignment, because I can't see them coming back from this.

Take away fiscal prudence/small government, and what are the Conservatives for, anyway?  Why do they even still exist?
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« Reply #4297 on: Monday, December 10, 2018, 12:29:35 »

May delays the vote.
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« Reply #4298 on: Monday, December 10, 2018, 12:37:49 »

May cancels the vote.

Delays dear boy, until when is anybodies bloody guess?

We have to have something sorted ASAP, the embarrassing thing is that 27 countries have managed to agree, yet one political party cannot!

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« Reply #4299 on: Monday, December 10, 2018, 12:44:40 »

edit: Doh, didn't refresh before posting.. As above ^^^^^^

It's my way or no way. There is no re-negotiating the  deal...

Oh, hold on a minute,I may get humiliated, lets delay it a bit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46509288
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« Reply #4300 on: Monday, December 10, 2018, 12:46:33 »

Bloody hell, breathe man....

Oh well its looking evermore like either a new referendum or we remain as people won't vote for her deal and parliament are unlikely to allow no deal....


So what happend to the leave people voted for on the ballot paper?
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« Reply #4301 on: Monday, December 10, 2018, 12:47:44 »

Obviously, this isnt the leave anyone wants.
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« Reply #4302 on: Monday, December 10, 2018, 12:48:21 »

This is beyond parody now.  Project = undeliverable.  Country = rudderless.  Leaders = absent.

Shameful.
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« Reply #4303 on: Monday, December 10, 2018, 12:48:53 »

So what happend to the leave people voted for on the ballot paper?

It never existed.
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Sir red ken

« Reply #4304 on: Monday, December 10, 2018, 12:53:56 »

It never existed.
Oh it did, clearly on the ballot paper. Remain on daves shitty deal or leave the eu. You must have seen that?
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