Let's Get Political!

[REDBUCK]

What annoys me (wrong thread?) is this use of "vassal state".

A vassal state was a weaker state that would be obligated to support the pre-eminent state in supporting military campaigns.  This is a pseudo-educated phrase misapplied.

The only recent example of the UK acting as a "vassal state" was the Iraq War with the unelected (in the UK) George Bush directing one man, Tony Blair and a few of his appointees.

The basic problem is that there never was a single concept of Brexit.

Look at the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution etc.  Knew what they were against.  Rather painful and prolonged consequences searching for what they did want.

Johnson has already used it in an early interview :-)

[Ardiles]

Watching Boris and Mogg attempting frantically to distance themselves from the shitfest that they created is a sight to behold.

[Reg Smeeton]

Sadly, I don't think it could. I was watching the classic SI clip below and thinking that there's no way they would be able to get away with it in 2018. We supposedly live in the most liberal, open and free speaking of times ever but that is just not the case these days. Effectively, everything we see, hear or read is unofficially censored by the keyboard warriors on Twitter and other social media who are just waiting, trigger fingers poised, to be OFFENDED...

Further to this a while back.... a little something

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2018/nov/14/spitting-image-creator-says-times-are-right-for-us-revival

[horlock07]

Watching Boris and Mogg attempting frantically to distance themselves from the shitfest that they created is a sight to behold.

Watching Johnson and Mogg banging on about Mays deal resulting a loss of sovereignty, after the majority of their campaign in 2016 being based upon the fact that within the EU we didn't actually have sovereignty, but no one will notice eh....

[Reg Smeeton]

Watching Johnson and Mogg banging on about Mays deal resulting a loss of sovereignty, after the majority of their campaign in 2016 being based upon the fact that within the EU we didn't actually have sovereignty, but no one will notice eh....

We're now approaching the end game... the likes of Mogg, Johnnson and the DUP are going to have to put up or shut up.

 If they put up, then the logic is a change of leadership for the Tories and a General Election.

[Batch]

So is it like the Tory Hunger Games now then?

Place your bets on the number of ministerial resignations.

[Shrivvy Road]

So is it like the Tory Hunger Games now then?

Place your bets on the number of ministerial resignations.

Yes . Best way to describe it

[horlock07]

She's really selling this isn't she...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46203425

'the prime minister would seek to head off the threat of any resignations by telling her ministers that while not perfect, the agreement was as good as it can get.'

What happened to easiest deal ever?

[Ardiles]

Johnson and Rees-Mogg are already starting to look diminished.  Months & months of carping and increasingly shrill newspaper articles...and no plan of their own, and no action.  They're spectators, just like the rest of us, and nothing more.  Always waiting for someone else to make the first move.

[Tails]

Hmmm. Probably would have just been easier to remain.

[chalkies_shorts]

Hmmm. Probably would have just been easier to remain.

That ma

She's really selling this isn't she...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46203425

'the prime minister would seek to head off the threat of any resignations by telling her ministers that while not perfect, the agreement was as good as it can get.'

What happened to easiest deal ever?

This has been a total fuckfest from day 1. The country being totally unprepared for a referendum. The Government making absolutely no plans for a leave vote. Cameron and Gideon then fucking off. May picking up the baton, triggering article 50 with indecent haste and no planning on the implications of what it meant. Then calling an election and fucking up any authority she had. We then enter negotiations and show how needy we are and in doing so have to take what were given.
All the EU had to do was sit tight, string us along and wait for the tide to turn in the UK. Job done.
If there was a second referendum, I think remain would win  - not necessarily that people think staying is right. It would be more on the basis of the total fuck up we've made of leaving.


 

[Ardiles]

Amen to that.

[horlock07]

That maThis has been a total fuckfest from day 1. The country being totally unprepared for a referendum. The Government making absolutely no plans for a leave vote. Cameron and Gideon then fucking off. May picking up the baton, triggering article 50 with indecent haste and no planning on the implications of what it meant. Then calling an election and fucking up any authority she had. We then enter negotiations and show how needy we are and in doing so have to take what were given.
All the EU had to do was sit tight, string us along and wait for the tide to turn in the UK. Job done.
If there was a second referendum, I think remain would win  - not necessarily that people think staying is right. It would be more on the basis of the total fuck up we've made of leaving.

I would agree with all that bar the bit about the EU stringing us along, they have been consistent in their approach since day 1 (funny that 27 countries seem to be able to align but we are being fucked over by the inability of one party to even be that cohesive) basically just given May a rope to climb out of the hole of her own parties making, and instead she has hung herself with all this bollocks about red lines, backing herself into a corner from which she cannot escape.

Its BINO, don't see any point in having an election as it would be all about Brexit yet it would be the pro Brexit Tories against the pro brexit Labour party.... Complete waste of time and cash.

[Reg Smeeton]

I would agree with all that bar the bit about the EU stringing us along, they have been consistent in their approach since day 1 (funny that 27 countries seem to be able to align but we are being fucked over by the inability of one party to even be that cohesive) basically just given May a rope to climb out of the hole of her own parties making, and instead she has hung herself with all this bollocks about red lines, backing herself into a corner from which she cannot escape.

Its BINO, don't see any point in having an election as it would be all about Brexit yet it would be the pro Brexit Tories against the pro brexit Labour party.... Complete waste of time and cash.

There would have to be an election as it would be about who governs the country.... last year May's Tory party was elected. If they can't run the country as mandated, then the electorate have to decide who should get the next opportunity.

[Batch]

technically they didn't get an overall majority, thus further weakening the position and making a GE more likely.

i.e. even a united Tory party would could be hamstring by a united opposition.

(not that either side is united)