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« Reply #2685 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 13:37:31 »

Do you think that a return to the dark days of the 70's would be so much better than what we have now, because that's where we are headed if Corbyn and his cronies gain power.

A leading academic a few years back reckoned that 1976 was a peak year for Britain based on his Measure of Domestic Progress (MDP)

MDP is based on criteria such as crime, inequality gap, energy consumption and pollution, and public service investment.

I had a right good time, so wouldn't disagree, shame you didn't.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/3337143/Remember-1976-Britains-best-ever-year.html
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« Reply #2686 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 13:41:51 »

She has dual nationality you fucking dickhead

And was taking her kid to meet its grandparents.
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« Reply #2687 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 13:46:29 »

And do you really believe that Labour would have all the magic answers?
Nope, never said that. Again, this is just whataboutery - it's a cheap diversion that doesn't change the fact that we are being governed by incompetents and liars at a time when (thanks to those same incompetents and liars) we are on the precipice of one of the biggest upheavals in the country's post war history and they are making a massive fucking mess of it.
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« Reply #2688 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 13:50:40 »

And do you really believe that Labour would have all the magic answers?

I don't think he said they did have in the post you are replying to, for many I think its the simple fact that can things actually be any shitter, and the traditional Tory line that 'We might be shit, but Labour are socialists and thus by default it will be shitter' is wearing fucking thin now.

I'm old enough to remember those times and I honestly thought that I'd never see them again in my lifetime, but there is a real danger that's what we'll end up with.

I am reading a biography of Oswald Mosley at the moment and its incredible to read the Tory campaigning against the Labour government of the 1920's (of which Mosley formed a part), it is virtually verbatim exactly what the Tories are saying now, so perhaps politics never changes.


I am a traditional Tory voter and even I would say that I'm not happy with the current incumbents and agree that we need strong leadership but I don't see that coming from anywhere else. All I see is someone else desperate for power and promising the Earth to get it....

Do you really think there is no one out there (of any political colour) who could be better than the existing, that is a frankly horrifying conclusion on British politics. When you say about a person being desperate for power and fuck the consequences do you mean Corbyn or Johnson?

Whatever the outcomes I would like a government in place that is not fucking me over due to its internal battles, its ideology and simultaneously and deliberately fucking over the poor and unfortunate, I will say again if this was happening in an African dictatorship we would be up in arms about it.
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« Reply #2689 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 13:50:52 »

A leading academic a few years back reckoned that 1976 was a peak year for Britain based on his Measure of Domestic Progress (MDP)

MDP is based on criteria such as crime, inequality gap, energy consumption and pollution, and public service investment.

I had a right good time, so wouldn't disagree, shame you didn't.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/3337143/Remember-1976-Britains-best-ever-year.html
I think you might be slightly selective in the year that you chose, anyone remember the three day week??
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« Reply #2690 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 13:52:24 »

How would Corbyn take us back to the 1970's ?
It's what the Daily Mail tells us so it must be true....the Tories, on the other hand, want to take us back the 1870s when the working classes knew their place.
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« Reply #2691 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 13:57:10 »

I think you might be slightly selective in the year that you chose, anyone remember the three day week??

No as I wasn't born but from my history classes at school I recall it was under a Tory government and much of the background was down to rising inflation and stagnant wage levels....

All sounds very familiar to the utopia we are presently living in, by the date that Reg mentions a Labour government had come into power, as you are so keen to compare politics now to that nearly 50 years ago perhaps the same could happen again?
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« Reply #2692 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 14:00:40 »

Well the 3-day week may have been down to the Tories, but don't forget the drought in 1976 which was down to the socialists nationalising all the rain.
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« Reply #2693 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 14:46:15 »

Latest updates from the Guardian are dragging Theresa May personally in to the Priti Patel story.  Trying to avoid hyperbole here, but events are starting to look as if they have potential to bring down the government.  How many lives does this cat have, again?

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« Reply #2694 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 16:47:27 »

No as I wasn't born but from my history classes at school I recall it was under a Tory government and much of the background was down to rising inflation and stagnant wage levels....

All sounds very familiar to the utopia we are presently living in, by the date that Reg mentions a Labour government had come into power, as you are so keen to compare politics now to that nearly 50 years ago perhaps the same could happen again?

Yep. Heath's Tory government brought us the 3 day week.  Personally I quite enjoyed it, as with no electricity there wasn't much to do at night.... beyond inviting a bird round, to hold a conversation. Of course, the candle light wasn't a cliche, but a necessity, throw in a couple of bottles of vino and the job was a good un.

I quite liked Heath as far as Tories go, and its a shame that his name has recently been dragged through the mud, but it wouldn't surprise if there had been an establishment conspiracy to cover up his "interests".

He did seem motivated by his experiences of fighting in the war, to try and create a more united Europe, for the benefit of all classes.
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« Reply #2695 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 17:21:58 »

Latest updates from the Guardian are dragging Theresa May personally in to the Priti Patel story.  Trying to avoid hyperbole here, but events are starting to look as if they have potential to bring down the government.  How many lives does this cat have, again?

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The coverage of this is hilariously sensational
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« Reply #2696 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 17:36:43 »

And do you really believe that Labour would have all the magic answers?
Do you think that a return to the dark days of the 70's would be so much better than what we have now, because that's where we are headed if Corbyn and his cronies gain power.
I'm old enough to remember those times and I honestly thought that I'd never see them again in my lifetime, but there is a real danger that's what we'll end up with.



This gets said a lot about Corbyn and Labour.  But you rarely hear people talk about Tories taking us back to the 80s.  And whilst you remember the 70s and fear their return, I remember the 80s of massive cuts to public services, crumbling schools and hospitals, sky-high interest rates, 4 million unemployed, inner city riots, miners' strike, Police brutality and cover-ups, Poll Tax, the constant fear of war.

Why are you so fearful of a return to the 70s under Labour than a return to the 80s under this Govt?
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« Reply #2697 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 17:55:28 »

This gets said a lot about Corbyn and Labour.  But you rarely hear people talk about Tories taking us back to the 80s.  And whilst you remember the 70s and fear their return, I remember the 80s of massive cuts to public services, crumbling schools and hospitals, sky-high interest rates, 4 million unemployed, inner city riots, miners' strike, Police brutality and cover-ups, Poll Tax, the constant fear of war.

Why are you so fearful of a return to the 70s under Labour than a return to the 80s under this Govt?
And Thatcher. Don't forget Thatcher and her evil bunch of oily shysters......fuck me, who would want a return of those cunts. Massive cuts and privatisation of public services and flogging off of our national treasures. Not to mention the selling off of council houses, most since bought by fat-cat Tories as the working classes couldn't keep up with payments due to those sky-high interest rates, which has led to the huge housing crisis that we now have.
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« Reply #2698 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 18:00:43 »

The coverage of this is hilariously sensational

Yep.  The helicopter was a bit much.

Still think that May has questions to answer, though.
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« Reply #2699 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 18:26:03 »



Why are you so fearful of a return to the 70s under Labour than a return to the 80s under this Govt?
Perhaps because a lot of  current Labour policies are the same as in the 70s - although I don't think for a minute they would actually start to renationalise what they say.

My rule of thumb is don't believe a word any politician says. It is, though, Labour's turn on the roundabout - but they'll make little difference to most people's lives.
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