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« Reply #2550 on: Wednesday, September 20, 2017, 09:53:06 »

Owen Jones tries The Thick of It but goes full-on David Brent instead...



He really is a smug tool....
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« Reply #2551 on: Friday, September 22, 2017, 14:37:08 »

So when May is out of the country, Hammond tells us the reality penny (not euro) has dropped and there's zero chance of negotiating Brexit without a "transitional arrangement" which could last years... so a sort of hokey cokey Brexit. In...out...in ...out, shake it all about.

So now we have it, a transitional period, while we still pay into the EU, but have no say in any of the decision making.

The swivel eyed loons will be frothing at the mouth more than usual, as there's money to be made for some in tanking the economy.
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« Reply #2552 on: Friday, September 22, 2017, 15:23:25 »

So now we have it, a transitional period

Inevitable, 15 months of achieving mainly fuck all in terms of an actual exit.

 It was always going to be choppy. Whilst I still think Brexit is a fucking stupid thing to do, I won't be proved right or wrong for decades (unless the EU implodes). Two years of bollocks is insignificant.
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« Reply #2553 on: Friday, September 22, 2017, 15:47:44 »

I won't be proved right or wrong for decades (unless the EU implodes).

Looking less likely now its worst performing economy has fucked off in a hufff, Christ even Italy is out performing us in terms of GDP now...
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« Reply #2554 on: Saturday, September 23, 2017, 07:35:06 »

So now we have it, a transitional period, while we still pay into the EU, but have no say in any of the decision making.

The swivel eyed loons will be frothing at the mouth more than usual, as there's money to be made for some in tanking the economy.

More likely she is preparing the ground to walk away with no deal. This has been May's strategy from the beginning. She fail to address the sticking points of phase one, which the EU has (rightly) said need to be sorted before moving onto any kind of deal. So May is going to pitch her "flexibility" against the EU's "inflexibility" giving the the moral ground to walk away. If anything Brexit has been brought forward.

And you're right about money to be made, it's no coincidence the disaster capitalist specialists Legatum Institute are funding, via think tanks, a number of Tory MPs who happen to advocate...a "hard brexit".
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« Reply #2555 on: Saturday, September 23, 2017, 10:38:48 »

Looking less likely now its worst performing economy has fucked off in a hufff, Christ even Italy is out performing us in terms of GDP now...

This is more pertinent. These are official figures. Government debt at the end of the first quarter 2017 by Member State. The highest ratios of government debt to GDP at the end of the first quarter of 2017 were recorded in Greece (176.2%), Italy (134.7%) and Portugal (130.5%), and the lowest in Estonia (9.2%), Luxembourg (23.0%) and Bulgaria (28.6%).

A governments ability to borrow and pay back money is an integral part of national economics. As is the ability to raise or lower interest rates. The UK can do this because thank god we did not join the €. Unfortunately all € members cannot do this. The ECB controls the vehicle in which they ride. It's taken 10 years for the € zone to start to show signs of recovery, all good yes? Well no, not really, for if the hawkish signs are to be believed and another global crash is around the corner I know where I'd rather be living and as nice as Italy is mate it ain't there when it does.

Italy may well have a slightly higher GDP today. Historically however, due to the political malaise in Italy where they change the government more often than you change your pants and are bogged down by continual coalitions of real chaos, coupled with eye watering amounts of debt (as you can see by the facts I have enlightened you with) they are, have been for decades and will be going forward an economic basket case. Still if you look over the fence into their garden and you are so envious of there fiscal position I suggest you go there and live.

Italy are seriously in danger of joining Greece under the jackboot of Herr Merkel. Still why let your personal prejudices get in the way of real facts?
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« Reply #2556 on: Saturday, September 23, 2017, 13:36:08 »

I will presume the irony in that last sentence was intentional.
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« Reply #2557 on: Saturday, September 23, 2017, 14:43:36 »

He really is a smug tool....
Which one?
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« Reply #2558 on: Saturday, September 23, 2017, 15:48:44 »

Italy may well have a slightly higher GDP today. Historically however, due to the political malaise in Italy where they change the government more often than you change your pants and are bogged down by continual coalitions of real chaos, coupled with eye watering amounts of debt (as you can see by the facts I have enlightened you with) they are, have been for decades and will be going forward an economic basket case. Still if you look over the fence into their garden and you are so envious of there fiscal position I suggest you go there and live.
Yeah, fuck off back to Italy, horlock, you pasta-eating traitor. No room for the likes of you in our brave Brexit Britain.
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« Reply #2559 on: Saturday, September 23, 2017, 16:12:37 »

Yeah, fuck off back to Italy, horlock, you pasta-eating traitor. No room for the likes of you in our brave Brexit Britain.

He can join the other leftie luvvies like Colin Firth in bailing out for Italy.
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« Reply #2560 on: Saturday, September 23, 2017, 17:21:03 »

Herr Merkel and the transition period.  Is there something you're not telling us Legends?

(tbf, you did have to patiently explain to me that the "poison dwarf" was Nicola Sturgeon and not Gina Miller)
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« Reply #2561 on: Saturday, September 23, 2017, 22:31:13 »

I love the way Legends starts out with data, and the intent to make a well reasoned case, and then gives up and gets all foamy mouthed.

I understand, I argue like that when I've had five pints too.
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« Reply #2562 on: Sunday, September 24, 2017, 08:02:32 »

The 'jackboot of Herr [sic] Merkel' followed by 'your personal prejudices' just 4 words later was a thing of beauty.

Who won the war, anyway?
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« Reply #2563 on: Sunday, September 24, 2017, 08:29:24 »

The 'jackboot of Herr [sic] Merkel' followed by 'your personal prejudices' just 4 words later was a thing of beauty.

Who won the war, anyway?

Don't mention the war!
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« Reply #2564 on: Sunday, September 24, 2017, 15:09:06 »

I will presume the irony in that last sentence was intentional.
No there is no irony. Italy have been warned (as have other nations) that their sovereign debt to GDP is higher than the terms of being in the euro allow! Greece's meltdown and subsequent 'punishing' medicine was a warning to Italy, Portugal, Ireland, Spain and even France! That fall foul of the rules and you'll pay the price. So who calls the tune in the EU and more specifically the Euro zone? It's Germany. Their trade surplus is propping up the EU, woe betide any nation who's fiscal transgression threatens that in any way. Don't take my word for it I've already mentioned a number of weeks ago the book I'm reading by Yannis Varoufakis the (left wing) ex fiancé minister of Greece who had the misfortune to try and negotiate Greece's fiscal problems.
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