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« Reply #2535 on: Sunday, September 17, 2017, 15:07:16 »

I think he's saying lies don't only come out of Tory mouths. 
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« Reply #2536 on: Sunday, September 17, 2017, 15:10:44 »

In which case he's not right is he, labour would have abolished tuition fees going forward.

just not paid off historic student debt.
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« Reply #2537 on: Sunday, September 17, 2017, 18:19:49 »

When is a lie a slight of hand or a down and out lie? Which is worse lying or making a false representation?
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« Reply #2538 on: Sunday, September 17, 2017, 18:27:46 »

When is a lie a slight of hand or a down and out lie? Which is worse lying or making a false representation?

You probably mean a sleight of hand...unless you've got small hands.
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« Reply #2539 on: Sunday, September 17, 2017, 22:27:17 »

I think he's saying lies don't only come out of Tory mouths. 
Well obviously. Doesn't alter the fact that Johnson is a fucking gobshite though, does it?
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« Reply #2540 on: Sunday, September 17, 2017, 22:29:15 »

Well obviously. Doesn't alter the fact that Johnson is a fucking gobshite though, does it?
You know him personally of course?
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« Reply #2541 on: Sunday, September 17, 2017, 22:37:26 »

You know him personally of course?
No more than any of us know the very many public figures we choose to make judgement on - part and parcel of being a public figure. I judge him on his track record, which is that of a gobshite. Feel free to respond with a long list of people you think are also gobshites, it still won't make Boris any more suitable to hold high office. He's a nasty, lying opportunist shitbag and the fact that he holds one of what should be one of the highest offices of state is a damning indictment of the state of politics in this country.
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« Reply #2542 on: Monday, September 18, 2017, 07:26:51 »

Sit down, shut up.
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« Reply #2543 on: Monday, September 18, 2017, 07:50:55 »

You know him personally of course?

No but I suspect that Jerry Hayes (former Tory MP) probably does and he seems to concur with Pauld's description.....
https://twitter.com/jerryhayes1/status/909356662527492096

And the Head of UK Statistics yesterday wrote to the Foreign Secretary to tell him he's wilfully lying to the British public.

https://www.statisticsauthority.gov...scribe-uks-financial-contributions-to-the-eu/
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« Reply #2544 on: Monday, September 18, 2017, 16:38:07 »

No but I suspect that Jerry Hayes (former Tory MP) probably does and he seems to concur with Pauld's description.....
https://twitter.com/jerryhayes1/status/909356662527492096

And the Head of UK Statistics yesterday wrote to the Foreign Secretary to tell him he's wilfully lying to the British public.

https://www.statisticsauthority.gov...scribe-uks-financial-contributions-to-the-eu/
FFS, I'm impressed by your determination to validate your regular diatribe. Frankly I don't give a fuck about what pretty much most of you post on here, I only look in for entertainment and I'm rarely dissapointed. It reminds me of those 'same old faces' posting on the Swindon Advertiser every day, day in day out because they love the sound of their own voices or in this case tapping noise of the keyboard. Empty vessels make the most noise.

£350m a day for the NHS? Do me a favour, if £350m was the real sum available for the government, any colour will do, I'd rather they concentrate on the fucking colossal waste that goes on year in year out and always has by every government for decades. That money should go in part to training the population of all ages for existing & future employment short falls and encouraging families to have kids rather than import cheap labour. Fuck me there are enough minimum wage earning people here as it is without allowing anyone and everyone from east European and other poorer countries to come in and bring wages down further. My god, I'm sounding like socialist, ok, champagne one.
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« Reply #2545 on: Monday, September 18, 2017, 16:43:24 »

FFS, I'm impressed by your determination to validate your regular diatribe. Frankly I don't give a fuck about what pretty much most of you post on here, I only look in for entertainment and I'm rarely dissapointed. It reminds me of those 'same old faces' posting on the Swindon Advertiser every day, day in day out because they love the sound of their own voices or in this case tapping noise of the keyboard. Empty vessels make the most noise.

£350m a day for the NHS? Do me a favour, if £350m was the real sum available for the government, any colour will do, I'd rather they concentrate on the fucking colossal waste that goes on year in year out and always has by every government for decades. That money should go in part to training the population of all ages for existing & future employment short falls and encouraging families to have kids rather than import cheap labour. Fuck me there are enough minimum wage earning people here as it is without allowing anyone and everyone from east European and other poorer countries to come in and bring wages down further. My god, I'm sounding like socialist, ok, champagne one.

Nope read it twice and have no idea of the point you are trying to make?

Apologies....
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« Reply #2546 on: Monday, September 18, 2017, 16:55:24 »

I utterly cannot square the current right wing/"conservative" trend of focusing on the financial impact to wages of immigration (same thing happening both sides of the pond it seems).  Surely the right to free enterprise ensures a constant trend to bring down costs and increase the bottom line, therefore all actions are fair game? Any action taken to prevent such capitalist ideals would surely be, as you claim Leg, socialism?

While I wouldn't agree with the principle, I can understand someone being anti-immigration based on some sort of racial or social reasoning (as I say, I'd disagree, but it makes a little more sense), but how can anyone who believes in the free market have any issue with immigration because it brings down the costs of businesses?  It's becoming an issue now because technology has advanced ensuring free trade has become something everyone can engage in, rather than just the first world countries.  In fact, the focus should probably be on the robots who will soon put the outsourcing industry or internal economic immigration at risk anyway.

Over here, you get quite a lot of discussion about the Govt. and anyone believing it should be involved in anything is most likely a communist.  However, they seem ok with the principle of the Govt getting itself all over immigration numbers with some odd premise of it improving the way of life for those lovely working class souls -  but surely they should be getting the Govt out of such administrative burdens and instead every man for themselves when it comes to making your financial way in the world.

Ideology confuses me.
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« Reply #2547 on: Monday, September 18, 2017, 17:11:23 »

  In fact, the focus should probably be on the robots who will soon put the outsourcing industry or internal economic immigration at risk anyway.

I'm sure a robot like Atlas, could happily do the drudgery of say warehouse work and with driverless motors, replace white van man.

In fact could probably do a job at the centre of our defence.... more mobile anyway.

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« Reply #2548 on: Monday, September 18, 2017, 18:37:31 »

I utterly cannot square the current right wing/"conservative" trend of focusing on the financial impact to wages of immigration (same thing happening both sides of the pond it seems).  Surely the right to free enterprise ensures a constant trend to bring down costs and increase the bottom line, therefore all actions are fair game? Any action taken to prevent such capitalist ideals would surely be, as you claim Leg, socialism?

While I wouldn't agree with the principle, I can understand someone being anti-immigration based on some sort of racial or social reasoning (as I say, I'd disagree, but it makes a little more sense), but how can anyone who believes in the free market have any issue with immigration because it brings down the costs of businesses?  It's becoming an issue now because technology has advanced ensuring free trade has become something everyone can engage in, rather than just the first world countries.  In fact, the focus should probably be on the robots who will soon put the outsourcing industry or internal economic immigration at risk anyway.

Over here, you get quite a lot of discussion about the Govt. and anyone believing it should be involved in anything is most likely a communist.  However, they seem ok with the principle of the Govt getting itself all over immigration numbers with some odd premise of it improving the way of life for those lovely working class souls -  but surely they should be getting the Govt out of such administrative burdens and instead every man for themselves when it comes to making your financial way in the world.

Ideology confuses me.

Excellent post.  The contradictions are striking.
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« Reply #2549 on: Tuesday, September 19, 2017, 19:33:35 »

Owen Jones tries The Thick of It but goes full-on David Brent instead...

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