Let's Get Political!

[Nomoreheroes]

I don't have the time nor inclination to compare the two, but this looks at a glance very similar to May's deal which Johnson considered so dreadful it warranted resigning for?

Well of course it is! Much of the 'agreement' was agreed a long time ago.

The last 12 months have been about some of the sticking points or bits that were deemed unacceptable (or probably more truthfully, we able to be modified) in 'May's deal'.

I don't know whether the deal is good, bad or indifferent. But, I hope we can all just move on and make the best of it.

[Batch]

I don't know whether the deal is good, bad or indifferent. But, I hope we can all just move on and make the best of it.

I have my doubts, the Scots will be most vocal but by no means alone.

[Ardiles]

If making the best of a bad job is what this deal amounts to, it will not be an end point.  Just a line in the sand from which something better, over time, will emerge.  Johnson's tone today was one of relief.  'Thank God it's over now.'  For him, maybe.  But for everyone else, it's more likely the beginning of a process.

[Legends-Lounge]

Merry Christmas to you all. Santa Boris has delivered. Why, even Mr. Champagne socialist, ruddycheeks Starmer is sooooo happy he’s going to whip his disciples, shepherd them into the lobby to vote this deal through, such a wise man. Offering homage to the newborn king Boris.

[Ardiles]

And you, you brexity old bastard.  Happy Christmas!

[Legends-Lounge]

And you, you brexity old bastard.  Happy Christmas!

Thank you.  Positively dripping with sincerity I’m sure.

[Ardiles]

It was.  We're all Swindon, regardless of everything else.

[Legends-Lounge]

It was.  We're all Swindon, regardless of everything else.

In that case I’m honoured. It’s done and dusted. We as a country have a new opportunity and of course new challenges. The shackles of the yolk have been broken. Theoretically we are only now shackled by our own self doubt. Of course the eu is an important market, it will remain so for many years, however, so is the 5th largest economy in the world. I personally never doubted there would be a deal. Common sense dictated that would be the case. It could take a decade to settle down, maybe less to unpick 40 years of the Common market-EEC-EU. #loveeuropehatetheeu. Whether other countries decide to follow suit is open to conjecture and it will be very interesting to see how the EU reinvent itself to avoid anyone else deciding to follow the U.K.

[Nomoreheroes]

In that case I’m honoured. It’s done and dusted. We as a country have a new opportunity and of course new challenges. The shackles of the yolk have been broken. Theoretically we are only now shackled by our own self doubt. Of course the eu is an important market, it will remain so for many years, however, so is the 5th largest economy in the world. I personally never doubted there would be a deal. Common sense dictated that would be the case. It could take a decade to settle down, maybe less to unpick 40 years of the Common market-EEC-EU. #loveeuropehatetheeu. Whether other countries decide to follow suit is open to conjecture and it will be very interesting to see how the EU reinvent itself to avoid anyone else deciding to follow the U.K.

I honestly believe that we were at a fork in the road. Both ways were equally as bad for different reasons. We chose the road that I didn't think was the right one, but we're stuck with it. No point crying over spilled milk, we just have to move forward. We'll adapt, because we have to, but noone will know for sure if it was the right or wrong decision.

[Legends-Lounge]

I honestly believe that we were at a fork in the road. Both ways were equally as bad for different reasons. We chose the road that I didn't think was the right one, but we're stuck with it. No point crying over spilled milk, we just have to move forward. We'll adapt, because we have to, but noone will know for sure if it was the right or wrong decision.

When we joined the world and indeed our country was in a vastly different position than it is now. What we have just left took circa 50 years and a number of treaties to become. Pointing the finger at various figures and organisations over the years won’t achieve anything. IMHO the unelected bureaucrats took their finger off the pulse of deep feelings of resentment building up, not just in the U.K. Merkel could have thrown Cameron a bone but she and the other main players brushed him aside, dismissed him and the U.K. as a minor irritant. 4 1/2 years later here we are. Give it 50 years and see where we and indeed the whole world is. Of course there will be challenges but I firmly believe we as a can do country can rise to that challenge and make a good fist of it.

[Batch]

I'll never vote Tory again after this
betrayal of Britain for a bit more power and a bit more cash for those in a position to make of back of brexit

opposition parties or spoiled papers from now on.

[Ardiles]

When we joined the world and indeed our country was in a vastly different position than it is now. What we have just left took circa 50 years and a number of treaties to become. Pointing the finger at various figures and organisations over the years won’t achieve anything. IMHO the unelected bureaucrats took their finger off the pulse of deep feelings of resentment building up, not just in the U.K. Merkel could have thrown Cameron a bone but she and the other main players brushed him aside, dismissed him and the U.K. as a minor irritant. 4 1/2 years later here we are. Give it 50 years and see where we and indeed the whole world is. Of course there will be challenges but I firmly believe we as a can do country can rise to that challenge and make a good fist of it.

Strongly suspect that events may move a little faster than this.  There is a very real chance now - although no one can say for certain - that the UK will not even exist in 10 or 15 yrs from now.  And if it does , I'd be fairly sure that it's going to look quite different to the way it does now.  Maybe with a more federal set up?

It's been popular among some supporters of Brexit to predict the eventual demise of the EU; with Brexit being the first of a number of exits.  But I see no evidence of that, at least for now.  The existential threat to the UK's integrity is far more real, I think.  Very much doubt we've reached the end point.  But it is about to get interesting.

[Batch]

I know it's from historical documentation, hopefully the important bits of the brexit deal don't refer to their equivalent of Netscape

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55475433

[Legends-Lounge]

Strongly suspect that events may move a little faster than this.  There is a very real chance now - although no one can say for certain - that the UK will not even exist in 10 or 15 yrs from now.  And if it does , I'd be fairly sure that it's going to look quite different to the way it does now.  Maybe with a more federal set up?

It's been popular among some supporters of Brexit to predict the eventual demise of the EU; with Brexit being the first of a number of exits.  But I see no evidence of that, at least for now.  The existential threat to the UK's integrity is far more real, I think.  Very much doubt we've reached the end point.  But it is about to get interesting.

50 years still takes 50 years. It is the events both internally and externally that will shape those 50 years. What I was getting at was it took 50 years to be assimilated into the EU as it is now and as far as we allowed ourselves to get. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to give it another 50 years to untangle the past 50 and establish where U.K. PLC is going or how it looks. Regarding the breakup of the EU? I’m not sure it will break up, what I am sure is that the fully committed will attempt to tighten the rules and regs to stop any other country from having the audacity to leave. I am sure that the EU itself will have to change its outlook. In one way the biggest change will be tax and spending as one not 27. As has been mentioned by many economic giants, until the EU has complete control over all nations tax and spending affairs the € is in danger of collapsing. You cannot have a ‘sovereign’ currency not underpinned by a common tax and spending regime. The EU is not a sovereign country, it is a bureaucracy. By staying in it it was only a matter of time before we would have been forced to join the €. Then as a major contributor and economic player been forced to hand over lock stock and barrel (as the others would have to) our complete tax affairs to Brussels and the ECB, something I could never agree too. Anyway, it’s done and dusted, the EU member states appear to have given the deal their blessing, the HOC look like agreeing too. So onwards and upwards.

[BoA Vagabond]

Glad we took back control today by having just a few hours for elected MP's to vote on, arguably, the most important legislation for 50 years. There was approximately 4 minutes between the result of the second reading and the start of voting on the third. I know the numbers in favour suggest that a delay was pointless, but I remember Tories moaning last summer about elements of the withdrawal bill that they hadn't read and subsequently didn't agree with. Daft to repeat, potentially, the same mistake again.
Glad there is a deal and I hope we prosper. Just wishing that parliament gets to do it's job properly in future. Surely that was one of the main reasons for leaving.