Clarke Carlisle

[Sippo]

And I feel sorry for the lorry driver more than Mr Carlisle himself. The lorry driver was 'the innocent' party and had no control over what happened, while Mr Carlisle did.

[Samdy Gray]

Whilst Carlisle can be a bit of a prick, depression is a horrible illness that makes otherwise perfectly reasonable people do very drastic things.

[Abrahammer]

People with no experience of depression themselves or haven't seen anyone close to them suffering with it often tend to not have a clue about the seriousness of it.

[ChalkyWhiteIsGod]

I don't like Clarke Carlisle one bit.

He's a bit like Sol Campbell, in that because he's black he's always worse off than everyone else. I do not mean that in a racist way, but he thinks he's a victim because of the colour of his skin. For example, the black manager scenario. It's not because of your race, it's because you are not good enough.

That is my opinion only, and don't wish any harm on anyone.

I don't like Clarke Carlisle one bit.

He's a bit like Sol Campbell, in that because he's black he's always worse off than everyone else. I do not mean that in a racist way, but he thinks he's a victim because of the colour of his skin. For example, the black manager scenario. It's not because of your race, it's because you are not good enough.

That is my opinion only, and don't wish any harm on anyone.

Spot on about Sol Campbell, bit of a cunt feeling hard done by because he never captained England, his conclusion it MUST have been the colour of his skin and not any other factor, I mean it's not like Paul Ince or Rio Ferdinand ever captained England before or after him.

Don't get that same sort of feeling with Clarke Carlisle though.

[Batch]

And I feel sorry for the lorry driver more than Mr Carlisle himself. The lorry driver was 'the innocent' party and had no control over what happened, while Mr Carlisle did.

of course I sympathise with anyone caught up in a suicide attempt/suicide.


as for Clarke having a choice, that's easy to say. But the way I look at it is how fucked up do you have to be to think your best option is to chuck yourself in front of a lorry.

he was probably only thinking of (ending) himself, the definition of selfish I supposed, but I don't think he's in a fit state to rationally think about the best way to do it without harming others.

[Sippo]

People with no experience of depression themselves or haven't seen anyone close to them suffering with it often tend to not have a clue about the seriousness of it.

I have experienced depression myself to the point I was on medication, but it does affect people in different ways.

[Costanza]

It's a grizzly subject and Ralph Little clearly isn't buying it...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/05/ralf-little-attacks-clarke-carlisle-not-telling-full-story-suicide-bid_n_6619702.html

[Reg Smeeton]

Won't somebody think of the starlings....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/11175275/Has-Prozac-killed-off-our-starlings.html

[dalumpimunki]

of course I sympathise with anyone caught up in a suicide attempt/suicide.


as for Clarke having a choice, that's easy to say. But the way I look at it is how fucked up do you have to be to think your best option is to chuck yourself in front of a lorry.

he was probably only thinking of (ending) himself, the definition of selfish I supposed, but I don't think he's in a fit state to rationally think about the best way to do it without harming others.

Actually it's a pretty unselfish way to top yourself if what you're after is to remove your fucked up self from your family's lives whilst still leaving them provided for. Most insurance policies don't pay out on suicides, but do for traffic accidents. If you've just pissed all your family's money up the wall at the casino and your inner voice is saying "they'd be better off without me" you want to make sure that they actyually will be.

[horlock07]

Actually it's a pretty unselfish way to top yourself if what you're after is to remove your fucked up self from your family's lives whilst still leaving them provided for. Most insurance policies don't pay out on suicides, but do for traffic accidents. If you've just pissed all your family's money up the wall at the casino and your inner voice is saying "they'd be better off without me" you want to make sure that they actyually will be.

So thinking only about sorting your family but majorly fucking a complete strangers life is unselfish.

[Honkytonk]

Depression is a horrible illness and you cannot understate that.

Ralf Little's point, that sometimes you just get fed up with watching the same people say they'll be better, say they'll improve, then fall back on their words again and again is an interesting one, but to use it as a stick to beat someone with an illness is a little off. You can understand his frustration perhaps, as we don't know what happened between the two of them personally. But there's a larger debate to be had as to how we diagnose psychological problems, and whether the world of sports is a it under-served in that regard.

Hell, you look at some people like Nile Ranger and you begin to wonder if he's just an A-class narcissist or whether he has a condition that needs attention.

[janaage]

Most insurance policies don't pay out on suicides,

Please don't comment, as fact, on subjects you obviously have no knowlesdge on. A lot of insurance policies DO pay out on suicides. Unless the suicide occurs within 12 months of taking out a policy. Even then a claims panel would decide whether the action of taking the policy out and suicide were premeditated. If in the firms opinion they weren't, as per a case I know of recently, the sum assured would be paid out in full.

[Samdy Gray]