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« Reply #3375 on: Monday, March 19, 2018, 12:56:25 »

I'd say that Burton are atypical, in that they have a state of the art training facility in St George's Park which has probably given them an advantage (in getting where they are) to start with.
That, plus stability with management and, by all accounts, a sensible chairman should see them ok if relegated.
Don't know what the scale of their debt is, but would be surprised if it's anywhere near the level of similar sized clubs where the owners have splashed the cash.

Hmmm, they don't have the facility though. They are granted use of the facilities (I admit that could/should help with some development and training). In terms of returns though, it belongs to the FA. The owners of Burton see no direct profits from that facility.
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« Reply #3376 on: Monday, March 19, 2018, 13:09:14 »

But that only works if you stay in the Championship, if you get relegated you lose the money and run the risk of not "bouncing back up". Maybe there's something I'm missing but I'm not sure this theory holds together

I guess that's the gamble some chairman/owners are willing to take though isn't it and It could be argued that done sensibly, you are limiting the risk. Is it not a similar gamble if an owner goes all in like Bristol City, Derby, and similar clubs in the Champ play-off hunt? On the gamble of a Premier League pay day? I know a good chunk of Derby fans and while they enjoy their attempts at getting in the top flight they do worry about the spending (yes, Mel Morris is very bloody rich and props their spending up), especially if the chairman decided he'd had enough fun and wanted out. Though I'm sure there are plenty wanting to step in and take them on as a business interest.

I suppose it's more difficult to look at this as a "football fan" rather than as, just an investor.
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« Reply #3377 on: Monday, March 19, 2018, 14:04:47 »

I suppose it's more difficult to look at this as a "football fan" rather than as, just an investor.
No I just don't think the argument makes any sense financially either. It's a very different discussion from yo-yoing between Prem and Championship where I could kind of see it making sense.
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« Reply #3378 on: Monday, March 19, 2018, 15:12:11 »

Hmmm, they don't have the facility though. They are granted use of the facilities (I admit that could/should help with some development and training). In terms of returns though, it belongs to the FA. The owners of Burton see no direct profits from that facility.

It’s still a serious advantage at this level though, financial or not
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« Reply #3379 on: Monday, March 19, 2018, 18:05:52 »

It’s still a serious advantage at this level though, financial or not

Oh absolutely but my original comment was about certain chairman and particular business strategy.  Smiley
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« Reply #3380 on: Monday, March 19, 2018, 20:15:42 »

No, having an owner who would not invest in the team fucked them up and creaming off the profits for his pocket to pay back his massive loans in getting them promoted cost them.

To a certain extent that's what Power has done since 2015, sold the best players from the 2014/15 side and repaid some of his earlier loans he put in post the Black era and Jed's  brief foray although since then he has had to put money back in.

The difference being in the Championship for even a season is you get bigger transfer fees for players who have played at that level so the couple of million for Luongo etc could become £5 million. Aden Flint has had two seasons in the Championship and look at his value now. Imagine if we had gone up in 2013 and played a season at that level with us and his value in this mid 20s compared to his late 20s now.
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« Reply #3381 on: Tuesday, March 20, 2018, 09:32:01 »

To a certain extent that's what Power has done since 2015, sold the best players from the 2014/15 side and repaid some of his earlier loans he put in post the Black era and Jed's  brief foray although since then he has had to put money back in.

The difference being in the Championship for even a season is you get bigger transfer fees for players who have played at that level so the couple of million for Luongo etc could become £5 million. Aden Flint has had two seasons in the Championship and look at his value now. Imagine if we had gone up in 2013 and played a season at that level with us and his value in this mid 20s compared to his late 20s now.
And in the meantime the money fairy has continued to pay the wages and bills the club has coming in  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3382 on: Tuesday, March 20, 2018, 21:24:58 »

The Morecambe vs Colchester attendance. 893.

I expect you’d have to go back a while to match that in the FL.
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« Reply #3383 on: Wednesday, March 21, 2018, 10:47:56 »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43484557

Play better football, don't park the bus in home games and not having an obnoxious and slowly going round the bend manager would appear the easy wins here?  Hmmm Clap
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« Reply #3384 on: Wednesday, March 21, 2018, 10:55:22 »

The Morecambe vs Colchester attendance. 893.

I expect you’d have to go back a while to match that in the FL.

Beats the 880 at Sealand Road for Chester v Town in 84.
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« Reply #3385 on: Wednesday, March 21, 2018, 18:45:07 »

The Morecambe vs Colchester attendance. 893.

I expect you’d have to go back a while to match that in the FL.

Apparently it's the lowest in the FL since Wimbledon fans were boycotting in around 2002.

And the lowest in the 4th division since Doncaster were in crisis in the 90s.
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« Reply #3386 on: Wednesday, March 21, 2018, 23:34:15 »

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« Reply #3387 on: Thursday, March 22, 2018, 00:35:29 »


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« Reply #3388 on: Thursday, March 22, 2018, 12:11:39 »

Jesus wept. Whoever designed that should have their crayons confiscated.
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« Reply #3389 on: Thursday, March 22, 2018, 12:13:45 »

Jesus wept. Whoever designed that should have their crayons confiscated.
Oh Lord thats appalling.
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